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Lit The One Canon

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Sinrebirth , Aug 18, 2015.

  1. Golbolco

    Golbolco Jedi Master star 3

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    Wasn’t an old theory that the Sentinels in Dark Empire were clones of Luke?

    That would explain Snoke’s blue eyes...
     
  2. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    I love this, given I always wanted Dark Luke clones or at least one of his lost hand in the ST!
     
  3. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    So if Exegol is the hidden world of the Sith what does that make Byss the slightly less hidden world of the Sith? Also I thought it was interesting that a bunch of Resistance fighters knew that Exegol was called the "hidden world of the Sith" so I guess everyone knew it existed it was just... hidden.
     
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  4. Vthuil

    Vthuil Force Ghost star 5

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    Byss was more Palpatine's private world than a "Sith world" per se. Exegol, OTOH, is more another ancient stronghold like Korriban or Ziost.

    I actually have been casually searching for whether it could feasibly be a second name of a planet we've seen in the Old Republic era that never showed up afterwards. I keep thinking there's one and I'm forgetting it, but I got nothing.
     
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  5. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    It’s in the same approximate square as Thrawn’s Sith Clone Project...


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  6. Golbolco

    Golbolco Jedi Master star 3

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    Zakuul is a very good possibility.
     
  7. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    Zakuul is near Ach-To and Lehon, wrong location ;) As Sinre said already its the same as Thrawns Kemp clone project with Forceuser cloning and "Mother".

    As for Resistance knowing of Exegol but not its location, it is an ancient myth that is known but never was found, much like the Jedi knew of the Rule of Two but never confirmed its followers as existing post Bane.

    In a way, using Iron Sky analogy, Exegol is the inner Earth Nazis and the First Order were the Moon Nazis... major Vril vibes!

    Wouldn't it have been fun if, given its proximity to the Chiss Ascendancy, the Sith Cultists all having blue skin and red eyes like Thrawn in a closeup if they would have done one?
     
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  8. sidv88

    sidv88 Force Ghost star 5

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    I have an explanation to how Palpatine came back in Rise of Skywalker that's One Canon related, and also explains why Palpatine bothered with biological children in the first place.

    Carnor Jax sabotaged the DNA of all of Palpatine's clones, leading to his final death in Empire's End comic. However, Jax did not account for the existence of Rey's father.

    After the Empire's End comic, the Sith Eternal got a sample of Rey's father's DNA. They didn't necessarily have to catch him himself, just a sample of hair or a drop of blood etc.

    Tediously cross-referencing this with the tampered Palpatine DNA, they were able to determine which DNA segments were altered and restore them by checking them against the DNA of Rey's father. Combined with the memory flashes Palpatine had done before his death in Empire's End, the Sith Eternal ended up with an untampered clone of Palpatine (or close enough) that Palpatine's memory was able to be uploaded to without any accelerated tampered clone degradation.

    The process might not have been perfect, thus Palpatine's not great health state and reliance on machinery in ROS.
     
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  9. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    I disagree but would modify your theory a bit:

    With Palpatines clones gone, they had to mix his remaining DNA bits with that of others to be able to use them. So they added Skywalker blood as well as other samples they got from Mount Tantiss, Byss and elsewhere. The result though was not Palpatine but SNOKE! Snoke then would take over the First Order and lead the Sith Eternal on the quest to find a way to bring back Palpatine himself, which they ultimately achieved via Rey's father and henceforth Snoke bowed before his reborn Master and became the willing subject and pawn of White Eyes Palpatine, as Palpatine, living embodyment of the Father of Shadows, remote controled him like his Shadow's Pawn... Shadowspawn!
     
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  10. sidv88

    sidv88 Force Ghost star 5

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    Palpatine outright said he created Snoke. Snoke could not have been created during a time Palpatine was dead.
     
  11. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    Palpatine created Snoke for the purpose of recreating Palpatine should all other return plans fail... contingencies within contingencies ;) Sith Eternal simply activated the Palpatine created Snoke... or S.N.O.K.E. (= Secret Neoimperial Operation Keep Emperor)
     
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  12. Daneira

    Daneira Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I like this except for the "memory flashes" part, that would mean it really wasn't Palpatine but just someone who thought he was Palpatine. At some point, his spirit had to escape from Jedi Hell.
     
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  13. PCCViking

    PCCViking Chosen One star 10

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    The Man from S.N.O.K.E.? :p
     
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  14. sidv88

    sidv88 Force Ghost star 5

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    Maybe the easy answer is that there isn't a jedi hell. Empatojayos brand just believed there was, and as long as a proper clone is made with a memory transfer, Palpatine can return.

    Note that none of those sith skeletons on korriban Palpatine chatted with in empires end were in jedi hell, so the comic itself was already inconsistent on this.

    Maybe all Brand and other Jedi ghosts can do is prevent Palpatine's ghost from taking over Anakin Solo's (or anyone else's) body. But they can't prevent him from taking over his own genetically identical body.

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  15. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    I saw on wookiepedia that Snoke said he saw the rise and fall of the Republic so he should have been created before Order 66. That's what all them Snokes in a jar are leftover I guess. It's entirely possible Snoke just sat around on Exegol until they needed him to take over the First Order after they began after Jakku.
     
  16. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    This depends on how much Palpatine ran his puppet. Snoke definitely had intimate knowledge of the Endor throne room moments so I lean more towards Palpatine running the body off and on.

    Snoke, according to the VD, joins the FO with reinforcements (and presumably those mute alien navigators (Chiss)) and that’s when the rest of the FO accepts his rule. Especially as never styled himself as Emperor.
     
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  17. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    While I agree the saw the rise and fall comment relates to Palpatine controling him, I wonder if Snoke was used as Steward for the Emperor in the Unknown Regions much earlier than previously thought. Especially given Palpatine could not trust Thrawn with the Empire of the Hand! Maybe Snoke was the political backdrop to that part conveniently keeping Thrawn and the Ascendancy in line.

    Maybe Force-remote-controling Snoke clones was the Emperors plan back then to keep galactic control tight personalised. Before switching to using droid Messengers. Or are we to assume cyborged Snokeclones are within the Messenger getup too??? Reminds me of Sovereign Protectors, oversized cyborged beings after all.

    The Alien Navigators gave me insectoid Aing-Ti vibes and I think the TLJ VD hinted at that and not at Chiss navigators though now both would make sense. Hmmm...
     
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  18. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Lobotomised Chiss works for me.
     
  19. sidv88

    sidv88 Force Ghost star 5

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    Ok, here you go, spoilered for size (rough timeline I put together based on my own placement that the Sequel Trilogy occurs 64-65 ABY, with Ben Solo (aka Kylo Ren) being born to 64 year old Leia in 45 ABY. Chewie, Ackbar, and Mothma were all found alive in a Vong prison camp around this time too, while Jaina is with the Fels and Ben Skywalker left to start his own family life)

    @Sinrebirth after all these years I can't remember you making an actual year by year timeline, unless I missed it. So I went and made one (albeit based on my own One Canon placement, not yours)
    25,793 BBY Dawn of the Jedi: Into the Void

    25,793 BBY Dawn of the Jedi comics

    5000 BBY Tales of the Jedi Golden Age of the Sith/Fall of the Sith Emire

    5000-2975 BBY Lost Tribe of the Sith short stories

    4000 BBY – Tales of the Jedi comics

    3964 BBY Knights of the Old Republic Comics

    3956 BBY Knights of the Old Republic game

    3951 BBY Knights of the Old Republic 2 game

    3954-3950 BBY Revan novel

    3678 BBY The Old Republic comics

    3653 BBY Deceived

    3645 BBY Red Harvest

    3643 BBY Fatal Alliance

    3643 BBY Old Republic game

    3640 BBY Annihilation

    3000 BBY – 8 ABY Galactic Battlegrounds game

    2974 BBY – Lost Tribe of the Sith comics

    1032 BBY Knight Errant novel

    1032 BBY Knight Errant comic

    1003 – 980 BBY Darth Bane Trilogy

    1000 BBY Jedi vs Sith comic

    67 BBY Darth Plagueis

    53 BBY Jedi the Dark Side comic

    Pre 40 BBY Dooku Jedi Lost

    40 BBY Master and Apprentice

    40 BBY onwards Age of Republic comics

    38 BBY Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan Aurorient Express

    37 BBY Qui Gon and Obi Wan Last Stand on Ord Mantell

    33 BBY Jedi Council Acts of War

    33 BBY Maul Lockdown

    32 BBY New Canon Darth Maul comic

    32 BBY onwards Republic comics

    33 BBY Darth Maul comic

    32 BBY Onwards New Battlefront 2

    32 BBY Cloak of Deception

    32 BBY Darth Maul Shadow Hunter

    32 BBY Starfighter game

    32 BBY Battle for Naboo

    32 BBY Episode I

    32 BBY Racer game

    32 BBY – 4 ABY Battlefront classic

    32 BBY Jango Fett Open Seasons

    29 BBY Rogue Planet

    28 BBY Jedi Quest

    28 BBY Obi Wan and Anakin comic

    28 Queen’s Shadow

    21 BBY onwards Forces of Destiny shorts

    27 BBY Outbound Flight

    27 BBY Jango and Zam one shot comics

    24 BBY Starfighter Crossbones

    22 BBY Approaching Storm

    22 BBY Blood Ties

    22 BBY AOTC

    Ch. 1-21 Clone Wars Microseries

    22 BBY Jedi Trial

    TCW movie

    TCW tv show

    TCW comic books and novels

    22 BBY – 3 ABY Battlefront 2 classic

    22 BBY Republic Commando

    22 BBY Clone Wars Adventures comics

    22 BBY onwards Republic Commando Novels

    22 BBY Cestus Deception

    21 BBY Grievous comic

    21 BBY Yoda Dark Rendezvous

    20 BBY MedStar duology

    20 Darth Maul Death Sentence

    19 BBY Dark Disciple

    19 BBY Son of Dathomir

    19 BBY Kanan comics

    19 BBY Labyrinth of Evil

    19 BBY Clone Wars microseries Ch. 22-25

    19 BBY ROTS

    19 BBY Vader Dark Lord of the Sith new canon comics

    19 BBY Kenobi

    19 BBY Purge comics

    19 BBY various Darth Vader comics

    19 BBY Dark Times comics

    19 BBY Dark Lord Rise of Vader

    19 BBY Imperial Commando novel

    18 BBY Ahsoka novel

    18 BBY Last Jedi Novel

    15 BBY Droids tv show

    14 BBY Lords of the Sith novel

    14 BBY Tarkin Novel

    14 BBY Jedi Fallen Order

    13 BBY Most Wanted

    13 BBY Rebel Rising

    11 BBY Thrawn novel/comic

    11 BBY A new Dawn

    11 BBY Lost Stars

    10 BBY Droids comics

    10 BBY Han Solo Trilogy

    6 BBY Battlefront Twilight Company

    5 BBY more Droids comics

    5 BBY Jabba comics

    5 BBY Rebels

    4 BBY Lando Calrissian Trilogy

    3 BBY Boba Fett Enemy of the Empire

    3 BBY Agent of the Empire comics

    3 BBY – 0 BBY Death Star novel

    3 BBY Leia Princess of Alderaan (Panaka survives)

    2 BBY Force Unleashed

    2 BBY Han Solo Adventures Trilogy (Daley novels)

    2 BBY Thrawn Alliances

    1 BBY Thrawn Treason

    1 BBY Force Unleashed 2

    1 BBY various new canon Star Wars Adventures comics

    1 BBY Vader Immportal

    1 BBY Vader Dark Visions

    1 BBY onwards Star Wars Adventures comics

    1 BBY onwards Dark Forces prose trilogy

    1 BBY onwards Empire comics

    1 BBY Death Troopers

    1 BBY Underworld Yavin Vassilika

    0 BBY Dark Forces

    0 BBY Shadow Games

    0 BBY Empire at War

    0 BBY X-Wing

    0 BBY Rogue One (Scarif and Toprawa may be the same)

    0 BBY New Canon Battlefront

    0 BBY Battlefront 2: Inferno Squad

    0 ABY ANH

    0 ABY Smuggler’s Run

    0 ABY Princess Leia comic

    0 ABY Chewbacca new canon comic

    0 ABY Age of Rebellion Comics

    0 ABY Heir to the Jedi

    0 ABY onwards old Marvel comics series

    0 ABY Han Solo comic

    0 ABY new canon Star Wars comic

    0 ABY new canon Vader comic

    0 ABY Tales from Mos Eisley Cantina

    0 ABY Tales from the Empiure

    0 ABY Scoundrels

    0 ABY onwards newspaper comics

    0 ABY Allegiance

    0 ABY Dark Horse comics Star Wars Shadow of Yavin onwards

    0 ABY Vader’s Quest

    0 ABY River of Chaos

    0 ABY Choices of One

    0 ABY Vader Down

    0 ABY Aphra

    0 ABY Screaming Citadel

    1 ABY Star Wars Galaxies

    1 ABY Storms of Crait

    1 ABY Rebellion comics

    1 ABY Honor Among Thieves

    2 ABY Splinter of the Mind’s Eye

    2 ABY Empire and rebellion Razor’s Edge

    2 ABY Target Vader

    3 ABY Tie Fighter

    3 ABY Rebel Heist

    3 ABY ESB

    3 ABY New Canon Marvel Star Wars vol 2

    3 ABY Tie Fighter comic

    3 ABY Tales of Bounty Hunters

    3 ABY X-Wing VS Tie Fighter

    3 ABY Ewoks tv show

    3 ABY Shadows of Endor

    3 ABY Ewoks Caravan of Courage

    3 ABY Ewoks Battle for Endor

    3 ABY Shadows of the Empire

    4 ABY X-Wing Alliance

    4 ABY Tales from Jabba’s Palace

    4 ABY Mara Jade comics

    4 ABY Bounty Hunter Wars trilogy

    4 ABY Truce at Bakura

    4 ABY Shattered Empire

    4 ABY Alphabet Squadron

    4 ABY Aftermath Trilogy

    4 ABY X-Wing comics

    4 ABY Shadows of the Empire Evolution

    5 ABY Tales from New Republic

    5 ABY Dark Forces 2

    5 ABY Solo movie (is in-universe Han Solo and the Pirates of Kessel holofilm)

    5 ABY Shadows of Mindor

    6 ABY onwards X-Wing novels

    8 ABY Courtship of Leia

    8 ABY Tatooine Ghost

    9 ABY The Mandalorian

    9 ABY Thrawn Trilogy

    10 ABY Dark Empire Trilogy

    10 ABY Various Boba Fett comics

    11 ABY onwards Crimson Empire Trilogy

    11 ABY Jedi Academy Trilogy

    11 ABY I Jedi

    12 ABY Children of the Jedi

    12 ABY Jedi Outcast

    12 ABY Darksaber

    12 ABY Planet of Twilight

    13 ABY Leviathan

    14 ABY Crytal Star

    14 ABY Jedi Academy

    16 ABY Black Fleet Crisis

    17 ABY New Rebellion

    18 ABY Corellian Trilogy

    19 ABY Hand of THrawn

    19 ABY Union

    19 ABY Scourge

    22 ABY Survivor’s Quest

    25 ABY NJO

    25 ABY Invasion

    25 ABY Chewbacca comic

    35 ABY Dark Nest Trilogy

    40 ABY Legacy of the Force

    41 ABY Riptide

    43 ABY Falcon novel

    43 ABY Fate of the Jedi

    45 ABY Crucible

    47 ABY Last Shot

    60 ABY Bloodline

    60 ABY Rise of Kylo Ren

    60 ABY onwards Age of Resistance comics

    60 ABY Force Collector

    64 ABY Star Wars Special C-3PO

    64 ABY Poe Dameron comics

    64 ABY Resistance TV show

    64 ABY Phasma

    64 ABY TFA

    64 ABY Galaxy’s Edge Black Spire

    64 ABY Phasma comic

    64 ABY The Last Jedi movie

    64 ABY Resistance Reborn

    64 ABY Allegiance comic

    64 ABY Galaxy’s Edge comic

    64 ABY Crash of Fate

    65 ABY Rise of Skywalker

    137-139 Legacy
    Rule of thumb if there's a completely irreconcilable difference between Old Canon and New Canon, New Canon wins. For example Dark Disciple can't fit at all with old Quinlan Vos. Taking that Obsession, Clone Wars TPB Vol. 7 is mostly noncanon even to Legends, I assume any Clone Wars TPB afterwards is also noncanon and Quinlan's ending follows Dark Disciple, not Clone Wars TPB 8. We mash up Quinlan's dark side turn in Clone Wars TPB 1-6 and Dark Disciple together as best we can. An exception to this rule I made is changing the Solo film to Han Solo and the Pirates of Kessel, because it fits so well as that holofilm as described in the Mindor novel.

    Thrawn's situation could get messier as time goes on if he appears in a Rebels sequel series or something. Right now I'm acting under the assumption he returned without Ezra and was demoted, which future Thrawn canon will likely overrule. Clones (which Thrawn specialized in) or Flim appearing as Thrawn far earlier than the Caamas crisis explanations may have to be created.

    Worst case scenario is the Thrawn Trilogy and TIE Fighter will have to be ejected from this One Canon (horrors :eek: )
     
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  20. Daneira

    Daneira Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    TIE Fighter is already awkward with TIE Defender project being years later and spearheaded by someone else.
     
  21. Sith Iratus

    Sith Iratus Jedi Master

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  22. sidv88

    sidv88 Force Ghost star 5

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    I wish LFL could hire us to write a One Canon Essential Chronology or something. I'm positive we could make it work.

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  23. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Somewhat but TIE designs always ended up appearing earlier than they should have in Legends. Always. We had the ‘oh it’s a prototype’ retcon every few years.

    The TIE Defenders in Canon didn’t have torpedoes and ion cannon did they...?
     
  24. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Regular ones didn't. The Defender Elite at least has torpedoes/missiles, though I haven't spotted it use ion cannon.
     
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  25. Golbolco

    Golbolco Jedi Master star 3

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    So how does The Rise of Kylo Ren's new information on the academy factor into the unified timeline? I have some ideas, spoilers for the comics below:

    In Issue 3, Ben tells the Knights of Ren that Luke started training him first before they were joined by other padawans. Ben's age in these flashbacks are hard to pin down. I would assume that when the Knights of Ren fight Luke on Elphrona, Ben is between the ages of 10-14 and that this battle occurs before Luke sets up the temple.

    That puts the establishment of Ben's class between 22-26ABY as per One Canon birthdates. Looking at Legends, we know Luke had the inaugural class by 12ABY, the padawan model readopted around 14ABY once there were enough Jedi masters, and then Jacen and Jaina's class by 23ABY. I think there were also two Jedi classes between the inaugural class and Jacen and Jaina's class? It's also worth noting that per Ifrit and Kyle Katarn's examples, Jedi could take on two padawans at a time. This makes sense given the shortage.

    So Ben's class including Hennix, Tai, and Voe is something like Luke's fifth Jedi class, and Ben is the only Padawan Learner that Luke personally took on. Since Luke is running a non-Yavin temple between 22 and 26 ABY, I'm going to suggest that Luke's canon temple is actually nearby the Maw shelter! Could a serene grassy planet exist in the Maw Cluster? It's not extremely likely, but it's possible. Especially since the Akkadese Maelstrom could be the source of light for the planet: it's a swirling nebula of hot gas and young stars right next to Kessel and the Maw. Ben is also closest in age to Valin Horn, Seff Hellin, and Bazel Warv, so making these students part of his cohort works out.

    Ben growing up so close to Abeloth might also exacerbate many of the problems we've seen him struggle with in canon, too.
     
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