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Lit The One Canon

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Sinrebirth , Aug 18, 2015.

  1. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    Keeping the Republic comics. Haven't read Dark Disciple, and not sure if I want to. Probably should, but haven't gotten around to it.
     
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  2. Golbolco

    Golbolco Jedi Master star 4

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    If a clone doesn’t work, does changing the identity of Quinlan Vos in Dark Disciple? That might be extreme, but part of current One Canon premise is that post-ROTJ canon works have been altered to follow Palpatine’s death at Onderon rather than his death at Endor. Choosing a different Jedi to slot into TCW’s Quinlan Vos could allow for preserving both stories in one continuity.
     
  3. QuinlanSolo

    QuinlanSolo Jedi Knight star 1

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    Thoughts on reconciling Vos in the Republic Comics with Vos in Dark Disciple, from earlier in the thread:

     
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  4. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Republic comics, no contest. But this is from a Ventress fan not a Vos fan.
     
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  5. QuiWanKenJin

    QuiWanKenJin Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Raab Katarn, whatever those 1-3 page vignettes are, I'm very interested in reading them!
     
  6. QuiWanKenJin

    QuiWanKenJin Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Furthermore, like Dark Disciple; Obsession is another of those stories that is very difficult to reconcile contradictions with. For starters, its clear from the beginning of Obsession that Anakin's last memory of Ventress is what happened in Republic #71, and that both he and Jedi Order believe Ventress to be dead and Anakin believes he killed her, but Obi-Wan doubts this. Putting the animated series between Republic #71 and Obsession, doesn't seem to work for this very reason, as Obi-Wan and Anakin had several run ins with her since then. There's a lot of people you have to memory wipe to pull that off. Putting Obsession before the animated series has its own difficulties, I did consider that option.

    Dark Disciple may actually be easier to reconcile with the clone wars comics than it is to reconcile Obsession with the animated series. But like I said, I would certainly like to read some of those vignettes to hopefully explain why Dooku doesn't remember Vos when he encounters him in Dark Disciple? And how Vos would have regained his memories after DD is over?
     
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  7. R4-D4

    R4-D4 Jedi Grand Master star 2

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    What is the one canon answer for the legends and canon Ryloths? Canon doesn’t have the dual night/day sides
     
  8. QuinlanSolo

    QuinlanSolo Jedi Knight star 1

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    I imagine OneCanon would borrow the retcon for that hammered out in L-Canon to reconcile TCW with the EU:

    https://boards.theforce.net/threads...r-own-hands-final-results-announced.50010262/

     
  9. Daneira

    Daneira Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Also in Legends Ryloth everyone lived in caves and in canon they're living on the surface. I like to imagine there's a little sliver between the day and night sides that has normal day and night and that's where the non-cave settlements are.
     
  10. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 7

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    IIRC, it was retconned prior to the changeover - the Essential Atlas, firmly in EU territory, adopted the 'new' Ryloth.
     
  11. Dream-Thinker

    Dream-Thinker Jedi Master star 4

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  12. R4-D4

    R4-D4 Jedi Grand Master star 2

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    I don’t know the correct thread for this quick question. In the short story Incognito, Obi wan is with baby Luke on Coruscant in 19by. Did I miss something? I thought he took Luke straight from Polis Maasa to Tatooine. Why were they on Coruscsnt?
     
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  13. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I mean, he also flew Grievous's starfighter to Hutt Space, sold the ship and booked passage to Tatooine with baby Luke. He didn't go straight there, in any version of the tale.

    Two Jensaarai came after Kenobi, as I recall, in the Hutt Space adventure.
     
  14. Golbolco

    Golbolco Jedi Master star 4

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    I was thinking: with some adjustment of the timeline, could the latter half of the Aftermath trilogy be synchronized with Crimson Empire III? CEIII presents the failed attempt at an Imperial-Republic truce caused by hardliners, but gives some insight on why the Legends Remnant kept fighting despite significant loss. I’m wondering if D’Asta’s attempt at appealing to Pellaeon can be combined with the greater effort in Aftermath to sue the Republic for peace.
     
  15. QuiWanKenJin

    QuiWanKenJin Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Okay, after thoroughly researching both Dark Disciple and Obsession, I'm going to reverse what I previously said; it's easier to reconcile Obsession than it is to reconcile Dark Disciple. Even if you come up with creative ways for Dooku, Quinlan and Ventress not be familiar with each other, or at least pretending not be familiar with each other, there's this one glaring eyesore, Quinlan is quoted in the book of saying, "My master Tholme died early in the war." This creates problems. Its very clear in the Republic comics that there were only two places that Tholme was believed dead, and he was discovered not dead very soon after in both cases. And moving Dark Disciple to earlier in the timeline causes problems for Ventresses story arc. Creating a fan-fic of Tholme supposedly dying after "Dreadnaughts of Rendili" but before "Trackdown" might work, but then you would have to make Dark Disciple happen in between those stories as well, meaning Dark Disciple would have happen earlier than 19 BBY but still after season 5. I heard from some where that DD has references to what is going on in "Son of Dathomir" and "Kanan." I hope that isn't true, because it would create a nightmare if it does.


    As for "Obsession" its much easier. Just recreate the fight that happens at the end of Republic #71, imagine this order of events:



    * After realizing how Force strong Anakin Skywalker has become as the war has progressed Count Dooku begins to suspect that Anakin Skywalker is intended by his Master to replace him. He needs an assassin! But he already betrayed Asajj Ventress at the command of his master, who has since taken up the life of a bounty hunter. So, Dooku provides a DNA sample to a loyal Kaminoan to clone Ventress, after her growth acceleration is completed the cloned Ventress is sent to Coruscant to kill Skywalker. After a ferocious lightsaber duel, spanning several levels of Republic City, (and Anakin assuming that she is once again working for Dooku) Skywalker lands an unexpected kick to the chest, knocking the Ventress clone off an air speeder and too her assumed death in the bowels of Coruscant below. Anakin Skywalker then reported to the Jedi High Council that the Assassin and one time bounty hunter Asajj Ventress was finally and truly dead.

    C---Star Wars Obsession (ignore epilogue)

    *Shortly after, reports began circulating of a bounty hunter in the outer rim matching Ventress’s description and after examining the body from Boz Pity, the Jedi Council realized the truth.
     
  16. Daneira

    Daneira Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    All of your issue here hinges on a single line. I think a little line here and there can be ignored for the larger picture.
     
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  17. Jid123Sheeve

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    That's pretty much how you have to see all of Star Wars...Ignore the individual lines and focus on the larger picture..it's how it maintains the illusion of cohesiveness.
     
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  18. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Because the mainstream Empire is utterly disbanded after CE II and Jakku, it worked relatively well for me that Darksaber founds the Empire from the warlords - and Legends then has a Cold War for the majority of the next six odd years of the war with the Remnant (directly after CE III in-fact).
     
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  19. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    So having rewatched 2d Clone Wars on D+ (in HD!) I still think you can one canon the whole thing into TCW run as mentioned before. Most of the show takes place beforehand until Part II when Anakin has his scar then I guess most of it would take place after TCW (Anakin I guess just constantly fiddled with his arm upgrades throughout). The only real hitch is Anakin and Obi-Wan are notified about the attack on Courscant twice, last one coming in Siege of Mandalore, but they're busy guys in the fog of war, I guess they're just excitable.
     
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  20. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    The Battle of Coruscant did last a week, so they could have been made aware and told to hold back. RC: O66 also confirmed that only certain fleets were recalled.
     
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  21. Noash_Retrac

    Noash_Retrac Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    @Sinrebirth

    Out of curiosity, how would you make the One Canon fit with my OCs and everything post-ROTJ?

    So my OC characters in Legends -- Aaron and Lana -- married in 8 ABY shortly after Han and Leia's marriage and went on to have one son called Adon in 10 ABY during the Battle of Calamari (Lana was on a safe world out of the way, much to her sadness because she's a former pilot and one of Leia's aides). Lana had fertility problems so they never tried for another one and Adon went on to become a Jedi with Jacen, Jaina and Anakin, eventually marrying in 36 ABY after the Swarm War to a Jedi called Myra Bream and eventually had children of their son.

    But when the new Canon started, I decided that Aaron and Lana -- who married in 5 ABY after the Battle of Jakku instead -- didn't have any biological children at all and instead in 17 ABY adopted a 5-year-old boy called Conner (who could only speak Aaron's homeworld's native language and never Basic, meaning he hailed from lost colonies somewhere in the Western Reaches) after the slave camp the boy was in, which was set up unusually close to Aaron's home sector, was liberated by them and the sector task force they were part of just a few days after his biological parents were murdered. This boy went on to fly in the Resistance which his parents served in as well.

    So how would you reconcile that?
     
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  22. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Well you'd have to assume Aaron and Lana adopted Conner after they had Adon.

    They may even have separated and re-married (if you want to go that far).

    8 ABY - Han and Leia's marriage
    10 ABY - Battle of Calamari
    11 ABY - Battle of Jakku
    35 ABY - Napkin Bombings, then Battle of Qoribu
    36 ABY - Swarm War
    37 ABY - Legacy of the Force
    39 ABY - Fate of the Jedi
    41 ABY - Episode VII & VIII
     
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  23. Noash_Retrac

    Noash_Retrac Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Well in Legends, Lana retired from active flight duty in late 4 ABY to help Leia on the Provisional Council and Aaron was leading a squadron on diplomatic escort assignments all the way till around 6.5 ABY when he was assigned as flight instructor for the new C-wing starfighters built by his home sector's manufacturing group. He then led the newly formed Echo Squadron in searching for a renegade Star Destroyer during the Zsinj Campaign and the Thrawn Campaign before the squadron was emalgamated into Rogue Wing during the Dark Empire year. In Canon, she remained active flier.
     
  24. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I mean I look at Wedge and the amount of times he (and Tycho and Ackbar and Carlist) retired, so....
     
  25. Noash_Retrac

    Noash_Retrac Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    It's also probable that like Winter, she was only semi-retired and returned to active duty between Calamari and Jakku, with Adon being left with Aaron's parents and older brother (a senator) since Lana's family was largely wiped out except an aunt and maybe a couple of cousins.