.....or, Lando Kadar? (thanks ATMachine) I thought I'd start my own thread on this topic. In this thread, I'd like to explore the origins of the character of Luke's father in the OT, and whether, at the time of making the first SW film, was Luke unambiguously, straightforwardly, supposed to have been Annikin's son? Was Darth Vader 'merely' Darth Vader? Was he someone else beneath the mask? This thread can also be seen as a response to author (and former TFN poster zombie) Michael Kaminski's thesis that the Father Vader concept only goes back to April of 1978 in the form of Lucas' hand-written (second) draft for TESB. I used to subscribe to this theory, but no longer do so. I must say that I've changed my mind in large part due to what posters Darth_Nub, ATMachine, and Samuel Vimes have written on the subject in the years since Michael published his book in 2008. The first "phase" was during some discussion(s) I was having with Samuel Vimes from maybe five years ago concerning the characterization of Anakin in the PT vis-a-vis how he's talked about in the OT. In those discussions, he and I were floating some hypothetical scenarios concerning the story directions that the OT could have gone after TESB, and we both agreed that TESB's "I am your father" does not unequivocally point to "Vader is/used to be (Annikin/Anakin) Skywalker Sr". Also, I began to consider Darth_Nub and ATMachine posts that argued for the concept of a Vader-who-is-secretly-Luke's-real-father as a plausible alternate story-line, even being a potential story-line as far back as the third draft of the first Star Wars film. Darth_Nub was back then (early 2011?) arguing for a early version of Father Vader whereby he was notionally to have been a Skywalker who turned evil as per ROTJ. At the same time, ATMachine was proposing that this Vader was someone other than Annikin/Anakin, but who nevertheless was Luke's real father, having had an affair with Annikin's (and...did Obi-Wan know* this or not?) ATMachine also proposed variants whereby perhaps Vader was indeed a Starkiller or Skywalker after all, but maybe an uncle (brother of Annikin/Anakin), or even an older brother of Luke. The character of Leia was also brought up: was she a twin of Luke, or a half-sibling, even perhaps, older - rather than younger - than Luke, etc. *I lean towards 'not' (ditto for Yoda and The Emperor), since in my opinion, it makes the decisions/choices/dialogue by those characters during TESB make so much more sense than they do when that film is viewed through the 'lens' of ROTJ. What I propose, is that the concept of Father Vader - in it's "loosest" sense, i.e. that he was the real father but he was NOT Annikin/Anakin/Tan (and maybe not even a Skywalker at all) - could indeed go back to the third draft of Star Wars (per ATMachine and Darth_Nub), and was indeed safely in place in place as of the Spring of 1978. However - contra Michael Kaminski a.k.a. zombie - this was not Vader-used-to-be-Anakin Skywalker, or Anakin went evil and became Vader, which I believe was not put in place until ROTJ was made.