RJ Trilogy The Rian Johnson Trilogy

And this mass production approach is exactly why the ST is so derivative and threadbare. It would have been a much better story if they had hardcore fans in mind. I come here to talk SW with actual SW fans, so I'm not interested in arguments about what the general audience is willing to consume.

General audiences consume a lot of crap. Why would anyone here trumpet that as a sound approach? Marvel, by contrast, respects their past stories and characters while bringing new life to them. A much better approach.

I was responding to arguments I've heard before against the poll I want to make. The argument is that the only polls that matter have to do with what the general audience thinks, and if anyone here truly believes that, not only should we get rid of the poll option, but the entire forum itself.

And I equally don't care what the general audience wants. I'm here because I care about what serious SW fans want. And the polls I've seen here in other threads suggest that they would not be split down the middle on a Rian Johnson film. The vast majority of fans here do not want anymore of his work.

Why we are unable to make that fact clear with a poll is sad, and in my view, an unfortunate and unnecessary suppression of truth.

 

Whatever you say dude.

 

If they make Star Wars films specifically for the hardcore fans, we'd probably end up getting films that are incomprehensible messes. That character is a clone! That character is a reincarnation of someone we'll meet in a prequel one day! Every film has a lightsaber showdown between no less than 20 Jedi/Sith on either side. The key isn't to make films to appeal to hardcore audiences, nor to make films designed to directly appeal to the general audience. Just let filmmakers tell stories that are true to them, and hope for the best. That's all Star Wars ever did under Lucas, it's what they should be doing going forward, and I truly believe it's what both Abrams and Johnson did; for as derivative as TFA was, it's my genuine belief that's because Abrams wanted it that way, not because corporate suits gave him a mandate.

Exactly. It's just an added bonus.

 

I think likewise, and I'll also add: I further think that Abrams chose to do so because Disney didn't give him the time he needed to develop something more original.

I like to consider TFA a "half baked movie", as in the first hour has a perfect pace and feels fresh enough to be considered its own thing, but it's after the Takodana scene that the movie isn't about finding Luke Skywalker anymore, but about blowing up another death star.

That really annoys me and puts me off the movie every time I watch it. The pace is still there, but dramatically it takes a detour that makes more damage than good.

 

A page back there is talk of a poll for RJ's trilogy.

I thought TLJ was fine, liked TFA better.

If the rumors on this trilogy have any truth to them skewing younger like Potter and being PG, while B&W's skewing more adult, I would be 100% for this Trilogy and would line up with my 4 year old to watch it in a heartbeat. I think as long as it's communicated to keep expectations of what type of movie it will be.. (PG), it should be able to do well. A Jedi Hogwarts would be right up that alley. I want my kid to enjoy the new movies so when she gets older, she will like the older movies too. Especially if they announce this one being more for kids, and then B&W's being more Adult (PG-13, I don't need R rated Star Wars)...it would be easier for people to accept both types of Star Wars going forward, some for kids and some for adults.

The visuals in TLJ were amazing, I think a new trilogy with those same visuals could be pretty awesome geared towards kids.

 

I don't think it is lack of time though. Everything JJ Abrams writes is like that. He is a terrible finisher.

 

I struggle with the idea that TLJ was visually great. To me it was the worst-looking Star Wars film since ROTS.

 

CGI wasn't very good, but the cinematography and camera work were among the best in the franchise.

 

The only thing that looked bad, really bad...was Spacewalk Leia. The hyper-space jump was the most visually impressed I have been in all of Star Wars and the contrast of the Red and White on Craite was beautiful, and pretty much everything on Act-oh. IMO, TLJ had its moments.

 

Put me in the camp that thinks TLJ was the best shot of the new films, and one of the best shot Star Wars films overall, probably right below or at the level of TESB. I'm really excited to see what visual style Johnson/Yedlin would make when they get to largely start from scratch. I do agree that it had some weirdly dodgy CGI moments, though.

 

Crait visually stunning (red is such a provocative color; there is a reason Dorothy’s Slippers were changed to ruby). More importantly, it is also brilliant use of evoking a bloody battle without damaging the film’s rating. That kind of talent of balancing mature themes while pleasing censorship is perfect if the trilogy ends up being more geared to a younger audience.

 

I find RJ’s other films to be better shot overall. Especially Looper. I think I don’t like the merging of his style with JJ’s. So I’m looking forward to what he and Yedlin do without the pressure to be consistent with a previous film or style.

 

I have my problems with TLJ, but Im still fine with the idea of RJ directing more.

I think TLJ was one of the most visually satisfying of the SW films. My problem stems more from a story standpoint which I feel arose from the “relay” approach to writing the ST as Mark Hamill puts it.

Abrams did his story and Johnson was left with a blank slate after that which he had to build upon, and the things that Abrams seemed to tease as being significant, Johnson didn’t seem interested in.

I think it was a case of too many cooks. And I am personally worried that by bringing Abrams back again to cap off the saga that he will try to course correct back to his original vision.

Even if Johnson doesn’t personally direct all three films in that new trilogy, I hope he at least acts as a writer to all three so that there is more of a coherent beat to the story.

I think the ST would have been better served by keeping Abrams or Johnson on for all three films. And when Trevorrow was no longer attached to episode 9, I think they should have had Johnson direct 9 instead so that he at least could have built upon his vision rather than what I fear is a tug of war between two visions.

The only other film of his that I’m familiar with is Looper, which I enjoyed. If allowed to start an all new story from the ground up, I have faith in his new trilogy. But I feel that there needs to be a single authoritative vision overseeing all three films rather than handing it off to someone completely new.

 

I agree that RJ is likely to create a far, far more interesting SW movie if he can start from scratch. JJ Johnson/ Rian Abrams just didn’t do it for me.

 

Knives Out has a helluva cast, so people clearly like and want to work with Johnson.

 

The position Rian was a very difficult one. Every saga film released after 1983 has received a great deal of hate with the exception of TFA, and that is almost not a fair comparison since TFA played it so safe in sticking close to the OT. It stands to reason that there was a high chance Rian would end up with a lot of hate for his movie, which his unorthodox methods made even greater. A non-saga film really gives him so much fairer of a shot at releasing SW movies that are highly regarded by fans. I think hatred of TFA has blinded fans to this reality- these movies are not sacred cow killers; there is every reason they could be enjoyed by fans and GA alike.

 

I dunno but I want RJ's Trilogy to do something with the star dragons or the angels of Iego

 

It's probably all part of the ruse that Disney is playing. They'll just have him think that he's making a Star Wars movie until production's wraps, then they won't release it.

 

Or Disney Executives might supervise Rian johnson and not let him go overboard like when they had to do reshoots of Rogue one and the original version of the film from what I read was a disaster..

In away the fans who hated the last jedi and those who loved it can unite and find common ground.

This just speculation on my part of the Rian Johnson trilogy if it happens and I am hoping he can win the fans trust back which he does not seem to care.