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Discussion in 'Fan Fiction and Writing Resource' started by Briannakin , Jun 18, 2017.

  1. FireKeeper

    FireKeeper Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Not sure if this is the right place to ask this question... But since my fanfic is a total AU and everything, including characterisation, unfolds differently from TLJ, I've been asking myself the question on whether I should reintroduce Holdo and Rose in some capacity. So I wanna ask my fellow haters a question: do you think these characters could be fixed with enough of character rewrite?
    I understand why do many people dislike Holdo, and I share their opinions on that, that's why I kinda have an idea on what her role may be so that her personality makes sense. I, however, haven't entirely made my mind up on Rose, and I see ficwriters who dislike TLJ having a split opinion on her. Some think she is an utterly unlikeable character, and it would be easier to make a new character than to fix her. Other think that her writing was mishandled, and she could be recycled. I myself don't entirely understand the point of her character. I am kinda lost, so I wonder, what do you think of these two characters, particularly Rose?
     
  2. Ewok Poet

    Ewok Poet Force Ghost star 6

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    @FireKeeper - I adore both, especially Rose. Not sure if that helps. Either way, who cares what people think? You're essentially writing for yourself first and if you get an audience, that's cool, but there's no reason to accommodate to anybody's wishes. :)

    @Raissa Baiard - Just do it. And find a way to cope with the emotions that overwhelm you when writing. Easier said than done, I know...but for some reason, this one was never an issue with me. I find it harder to spew out words when it comes to super-emotional poetry that's autobiographical. This, this is...fiction?!

    Re: languages

    Just find a native speaker. Gratuitous use of whatever language makes no sense and it's kinda offensive to native speakers, unless you're going for teh lulz on purpose.


    For @brodiew, from the locked thread:

    I hope the following helps:

    Kylo is a very interesting character and, to me, a rare case of a somewhat relatable villain.

    He has borderline personality disorder (just like Anakin...and, err, me) and his emotions are completely disregulated and unfiltered. In our Galaxy, women are more likely to achieve remission and men often acquire a bunch of other pathologies and/or go stealth all their lives. So, I'm using the same logic for the GFFA. Double standards and all.

    His relationships would have to be of the "all or nothing" kind. Obsession, extreme fear of abandonment and rejection, going to enormous lengths to impress people, control-freakish behaviour, emotional outbursts over everything, unintentional manipulation that can be perceived as intentional. And DRAMA. LOTS OF DRAMA.

    And yeah, this is also why I don't date - in order not to destroy myself again. Last break-up was in April 2014. :p
     
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  3. Sith-I-5

    Sith-I-5 Force Ghost star 6

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    You liked it when my Kylo used Ewokese.
    Mixed messages.


    @FireKeeper - Just don't have Holdo and Rose grip their respective Idiot Balls quite so hard, and they should be fine.

    Also, if you are not having Paige die at the start, remember that Rose has that sister.
     
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  4. Mistress_Renata

    Mistress_Renata Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Rose didn't have much personality, to me. I didn't dislike her, she was just sort of there, tagging along. So, yes, I'd like to see her get another chance. I almost saw her as one of those people IRL who can't read social cues and who consequently act inappropriately. I don't know if that is how she was written, or if it was an acting choice.

    Holdo...it would take a lot to redeem her, to me. For one thing, she'd have to be moderately competent as a military leader.
     
  5. Ewok Poet

    Ewok Poet Force Ghost star 6

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    I meant real-life languages here.
     
  6. brodiew

    brodiew Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Say Poe is the chief of state of the fledgling new republic. He is frustrated that he is no longer navigating Tie fighter wings, but is now stuck navigating faction demands. Given this, what could his friends, Rey and Finn want, officially, that would frustrate him further?
     
  7. Gamiel

    Gamiel Force Ghost star 6

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    A slight increase in the Jedi budget
     
  8. Raissa Baiard

    Raissa Baiard Force Ghost star 4

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    Could Rey want some kind of official recognition for a new Jedi order/Academy? Permission to test for new candidates? Is Finn still involved with the military in some capacity? If so, there could be all sorts of funding issues there, or perhaps he’s dealing with some of the more unruly factions.
     
  9. Sith-I-5

    Sith-I-5 Force Ghost star 6

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    BB-8?
     
  10. Briannakin

    Briannakin Grand Moff Darth Fanfic & Costuming/Props Manager star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    @brodiew If you don't end up using this suggestion, please tell me because I just got bit by a plot bunny.
     
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  11. brodiew

    brodiew Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    @Sith-I-5, this a great idea, but I think I'm headed in a different direction. @Briannakin, go for it!
     
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  12. Sith-I-5

    Sith-I-5 Force Ghost star 6

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    *Applies anti-septic*
     
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  13. Mistress_Renata

    Mistress_Renata Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I seriously cannot think of anything that would frustrate him more than being stuck as a politician!!!

    And I am now deeply curious as to what bunny @Briannakin give us... :bb8:
     
  14. Ewok Poet

    Ewok Poet Force Ghost star 6

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    This is going to be a strange discussion topic, but here I go.

    Have you ever felt like you lacked credentials for writing specific eras, specific characters?

    In 2015, I was mortified about writing Luke, because there were so many people who were considered to be Luke experts and I was this writer of Ewoks, evil Eldritch Abomination Jar Jar and OCs. I posted it and I was mortified when people started leaving comments. I saw criticism in all of them, they had years of, I dunno, experience and their Lukes were a norm, regardless of other people's interpretations. I had this fear that they were saying things about me elsewhere, I could not get rid of it. When the story got awards, it was even scarier.

    Then I got to write Leia, Bail and Breha for a fic-gift and I was mortified again. The person was a Leia expert in my eyes and I did not want to fail. For some bizarre reason, that went well.

    The next time I dared to write CCs as protagonists was, like...a year ago? I wrote a KOTOR thing, an A/P thing, then just one with Padmé, Mara Jade, Maul and the obscure character Tseebo. And Darth Maladi, because Darth Maladi. Was mortified each time, apart from that last one. Was super-mortified about Mara.

    I don't count random crack!fics with the ST folks and that thing with Piett, Tarkin, Jerjerrod and Droopy McCool.

    It was only when the Ultimate Drabble Challenge came along that I let go of this fear. Particularly when I nailed Rex, not knowing much about him. That felt good.

    And now I'm mortified again. It's like...if you're an OC writer and it's sort of, sort of okay when you write Legacy and A/P, maybe the Separatists (why the heck do I find Nute so interesting, anyway?)...why do anything else?

    I...don't know. :(
     
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  15. Sith-I-5

    Sith-I-5 Force Ghost star 6

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    Can happen sometimes with dice-selected challenges.
     
  16. Mistress_Renata

    Mistress_Renata Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I never worry about *credentials,* let's face it: unless you have a beard, a propensity for flannel shirts and are named Lucas, you don't truly have the credentials to write Star Wars. :D

    That said, there are some ECs who I have trouble with (the afore-mentioned Luke Skywalker, for one), so I tend to avoid them. Some people do such a great job with certain ECs, really taking them to their own, it can be intimidating to try them, especially if you know your take on them would be different (I'd be nervous about taking on Teebo or Paploo, now! ;)) But, if the bunny bites, you have to go with it, and I think sometimes it is good to give yourself a new challenge. Try something scary. It is, after all, only fanfiction and the fate of the world doesn't hang on it.
     
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  17. Kurisan

    Kurisan Jedi Knight star 3

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    @Ewok Poet Yes that's a normal feeling when writing a character created by someone else and you are not weird for feeling it. I tend to avoid ECs for the same reason - I also feel restricted by their boundaries, as in I write a scene then think; "But he/she would never normally do that!"
     
  18. brodiew

    brodiew Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    @Ewok Poet, I suffered from this fear a lot when I started to branch out to other fandoms, especially tv fandoms that have a lot more source material to keep track of. With Star Wars I never felt that way. The source material of the canon films is finite enough and I felt like the characters worked well with me. Thought Mara Jade took me a while to engage. I've written some, but not much on the L/M front. I really didn't want to write A/P, but I did it to prove to myself I could. A challenge. But don't feel like you have to unless you want to. this is supposed to be fun. At least, it is for me. All that said,I know what you're feeling.
     
  19. Ewok Poet

    Ewok Poet Force Ghost star 6

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    You have never read me, so I guess you can't have a clear picture of what it was like and I thiiink I wrote all of those things, but clear L/M (just Mara on her own so far). ;)

    But yeah, I agree. :D
     
  20. Raissa Baiard

    Raissa Baiard Force Ghost star 4

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    How bad of form is it to update a story more than once a week? The moose muse has been in overdrive on one of my stories and I've got the next chapter done much sooner than I expected, but I don't want readers to be overwhelmed by posting again too soon. Can there be extenuating circumstances? In this case, we're going on spring break next week, so i probably won't be able to do responses and post on the weekend.

    Can't-wait-to-post-itis is real:p
     
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  21. Ewok Poet

    Ewok Poet Force Ghost star 6

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    Then just post and let people respond to both until you're back. :) And add a note that you will respond then. Or, be a moron like me and reserve a post for comments.

    Otherwise, more than once a week for things that are not dead short is a NOPE to me. When I was following a story that was updated twice a week, I got exhausted at some point and quit. Recently, I could not follow another because of that as well and now not only that it's over, but there is also a sequel. Ouch! :p
     
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  22. WarmNyota_SweetAyesha

    WarmNyota_SweetAyesha Chosen One star 7

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    DON'T I KNOW IT?!?! [face_laugh] I have a chronic case of can't wait to post-itis tied absolutely with can't wait to read-itis [face_love]

    Since the posts are on the short-ish side, I think posting close together shouldn't be an issue then readers can decide if they'll read them at one sitting or one at a time. :)

    [:D]
     
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  23. Kurisan

    Kurisan Jedi Knight star 3

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    @Raissa Baiard you've been here 19 years...[face_hypnotized]

    You just need to judge the audience and learn from experience. The "welcome new starters" general advice post says minimum one week.

    I know I get clobbered for updating too fast constantly but I try to stick to that. OR I wait until everyone has replied/liked then just move on and wait again.

    I still can't believe any of you guys post before you have finished the entire thing. [face_hypnotized] I would be terrified to do that... what if you need to change something? Don't you do a final check of associated verbs-adjectives for each subject etc?

    K
     
  24. Findswoman

    Findswoman Force Ghost star 5

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    Now, this is something that I am in the process of reevaluating for myself. I very much used to be of the "post as you write" type, but it didn't work out so well for me—mainly because the vicissitudes of RL made it impossible for me to establish any kind of regular writing and posting schedule. So yes, I too am now starting to lean toward the "don't post till it's finished" approach (and I actually do have a number of things already completed that I'm just waiting to post at the right time, kind of, and that helps). :)
     
  25. brodiew

    brodiew Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I heard a rumor once about author Louis L'Amour. He wrote, it was edit for grammar and such, and it was published. He was not a polisher as I understand it. He and I are kindred spirits. :cool:
     
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