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Discussion in 'Fan Fiction and Writing Resource' started by Briannakin , Jun 18, 2017.

  1. brodiew

    brodiew Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Hello all. How often to come up against writing deja vu? In writing some of my sentences for the recent challenge, I am either finding that I am rewriting what I have already written or having the actual writing of some premonition of the past?

    Have you experienced this?
     
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  2. Sith-I-5

    Sith-I-5 Force Ghost star 6

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    Sorry, I don't know what this means.
     
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  3. brodiew

    brodiew Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Deja vu is the feeling or sense that you are experiencing something again, for a second time or more that you have already experienced. I just applied it my writing where a certain sentence or idea feels eerily familiar as if I had written it in the past. In other words writing something today that is the same as something I wrote a long time ago, though not necessarily on purpose.
     
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  4. Sith-I-5

    Sith-I-5 Force Ghost star 6

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    Well, "premonition" only applies to the future, not the past, so that is probably what threw me.

    Things we wrote before, don't automatically get erased as soon as we commit them to paper, so sure, sentence and ideas will hang around.

    Because you say you try to write short things, this might seem more significant to you, whilst for me, to keep "continuity" in a story, I value having such things remaining on hand.
     
  5. Tarsier

    Tarsier Jedi Master star 4

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    Occasionally I'll write something, sometimes something inconsequential, but more often something that seems particularly clever or good, maybe I'll even be pretty proud of it. I'll close the document and move onto something else. Then later, a few hours or a few days, sometimes after I've posted it sometimes before, maybe when I'm driving, maybe as I'm going to sleep, it will strike me that that clever sentence is familiar. Maybe I've written it before. Or worse, maybe I've read it before. Sometimes as I think about it I'll be sure I read it somewhere, I may even have a pretty good idea of where, and I'll start to panic a little, because I've unintentionally stolen a sentence or a wording. So, frantically, I'll try to find the original, to see how bad the theft is, if maybe I changed it just enough to not be too egregious. Only I can't find it. I look where I thought it might be. I google it. I do everything I can to find it again but I can't. Now I think maybe I didn't steal it. Maybe I wrote it before. Maybe I thought it before and promptly forgot it. Maybe it's just been sitting in my subconscious for a long time, waiting to break the surface. Or maybe I did steal it and I just haven't yet found the original...
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    As long you're rewriting yourself, I wouldn't worry about it. :)
     
  6. Sith-I-5

    Sith-I-5 Force Ghost star 6

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    Very good angle on the matter, @Tarsier
    That is where you can get accidental plagiarism from.

    One of my best interventions, saved someone from using a well known quote as his own, as the final flourish of his dissertation, when he came into my cyber-cafe to either email his work to the university, or get it scanned or printed, and was proudly telling me that he had woken up that morning, and out of the blue, this awesome phrase that he had made up, occurred to him, that was perfect to finish off the project.

    I felt that I knew it from somewhere, Googled it, and turned my screen to show him.
     
  7. brodiew

    brodiew Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Hi Sith-I-5. I think what I meant to say, which was still probably nonsensical, was that I had a premonition in the past that was being fulfilled in the moment. Still means it feels like I'm doing it again. 8-}
     
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  8. WarmNyota_SweetAyesha

    WarmNyota_SweetAyesha Game Host Who Loves Fanfics & RPGs star 7 VIP - Game Host

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    @brodiew -- what an interesting predicament! :D I never think I've written something word for word; I like to think that if I'm 'repeating' myself where given characters are concerned, I know I literally am not because the situation I'm focusing on is different, but the characters may be "struggling" or "coming to terms" with a consistent issue, e.g., Mara with trust, Luke with impetuousness. ;)
     
  9. brodiew

    brodiew Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Hi Nyota. It doesn't happen all the time, but from time to time a get a sense I've written it before, similar theme and similar wording. Anything is possible. :)
     
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  10. devilinthedetails

    devilinthedetails Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I don't know if I ever get deju vu per say when I'm writing but I know that there are definitely certain themes, characters, ideas, and language that either crop up in my writing over and over or get explored in my writing over and over. I like to think that I put a bit of a different twist on it each time, but I suppose that every writer has topics and characters he or she is drawn to exploring or themes and language that always seems to want to be expressed. Perhaps those tendencies are part of what makes us unique as writers. Maybe they are distinctive patterns that reveal who we are not just as writers but as people. Now that is my deep thought of the day. My brain will be switching off now:p
     
  11. Sith-I-5

    Sith-I-5 Force Ghost star 6

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    So @brodiew , how much are we talking here?

    A sentence, a turn of phrase, a joke, or are you talking about something bigger like an entire story, or something inbetween?

    As I said before, this sounds good for continuity, where you want the same character, across multiple chapters or stories, to sound consistent.
     
  12. brodiew

    brodiew Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Pretty small potatoes, actually. Like a joke or a turn of phrase. Exactly.
     
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  13. Sith-I-5

    Sith-I-5 Force Ghost star 6

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    Yeah, I have had that happen to me.

    On my long-running E-Branch project, I recently had a character make internal reference to "the militant wing of Weight Watchers", and was struck by the feeling that I had used that concept before in the same piece.

    I eventually tracked it down to an earlier E-Branch one-shot that I had written for an OTP Challenge, a couple years back, with a character vocalising about if historians have a militant wing.

    Both people were colleagues, and for continuity's sake, I wrestled with how the second user might have heard it from the first, but ultimately, changed the more recent reference.
     
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  14. darkspine10

    darkspine10 Geekiest RYLer star 7 VIP - Game Winner

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    Speaking of writing Deja vu, I did write a scene that afterwards I felt like it was kinda similar to something I'd previously written.

    The original was a birthday gift giving scene, out hiking in the woods. The second was a marriage proposal (same characters), out hiking in the wooded mountains. I think I even had the same reaction at first, a silence followed by unsureness on the part of the gift giver. I tweaked it in the edit so hopefully it's a bit less one to one.

    But hey, you can always say it's 'rhyming' and claim it's a parallel :cool:

    :p
     
  15. Briannakin

    Briannakin Grand Moff Darth Fanfic & Costuming/Props Manager star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    So, I'm kinda half-considering re-visiting an old fic series that I never completed (my Bail/Breha romance). Basically, I wrote/posted "book" 1 of 3 in 2015 (... was that really almost 5 years ago?!) and I started #2 but the muse abandoned it after like 1.5 chapters. I wrote a chapter-by-chapter, vague plan for book 2 and I (somehow) remember it (... don't ask about book 3... I'm only thinking one thing at a time). Other than re-reading the old stuff (which I'm planning to do over the next few evenings), anyone have any suggestions as to put myself in the mindset I had 5 years ago?

    This idea to revisit the series also came to me at like 2AM last night when I couldn't fall asleep, so I'm not sure how viable it is.
     
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  16. Emperor Ferus

    Emperor Ferus Force Ghost star 6

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    Finished my TLJ/TROS rewrite and published it on Fanfic.net. The remaining chapters will be added here later.

    I currently am working on a reboot of the entire ST, starting with Episode VII.

    I think I’ve finished coming up with the main characters and describing them, which in my experience I’ve learned is better to do first than compose the plot.

    The characters make the plot, in a sense.
     
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  17. devilinthedetails

    devilinthedetails Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    @Briannakin That's great that you are thinking about returning to a project. That can be very difficult to do but also extremely satisfying. It's awesome that you remember even the vague, chapter-by-chapter outline from that long ago since that hopefully gives you an idea of where you want to go with the story, which can sometimes be the most daunting part of returning to a project for me, that question: "Where was I thinking of going with this story anyway?"

    Apart from re-reading it, I might try to re-capture some of the original inspiration for writing the story. What was it that made you want to write the story in the first place? Were you listening to any songs while you wrote it? Perhaps give those songs a listen again. It might spark some memory or inspiration.

    I would also say maybe don't be afraid to tap into new inspiration and let the story grow a different way. I know for me sometimes if I have left a project for awhile there may be some underlying reason why I haven't such as a lack of inspiration, or a plot or character problem that I didn't know how to resolve, so sometimes coming at it with a fresh inspiration and perspective can help me break through whatever that block was.

    Hopefully some of this helps! Good luck with your project:)

    @Emperor Ferus That is a project with great scale and ambition. I definitely wish you well on it! I also completely agree that the character make and drive the plot. Characters are the core of the story for me.
     
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  18. WarmNyota_SweetAyesha

    WarmNyota_SweetAyesha Game Host Who Loves Fanfics & RPGs star 7 VIP - Game Host

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    MEGA SQUEEAGE ... I must admit that when I read "Leia, Princess of Alderaan" and the characterizations of Breha/Bail I had their courtship in mind as you wrote it! LOL I often find even reading the reader reviews inspiring. Their enthusiasm is infectious! Even with current projects, I frequently find writing the dialogue /conversation is the easiest part to start with and then fill in the rest of the scene(s) later.
     
  19. pronker

    pronker Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Let's hear it for vague![face_good_luck] After such a span of years, I agree that music may help inspire the fic to soar to new levels on a different course, even more splendid than the first.
     
  20. Emperor Ferus

    Emperor Ferus Force Ghost star 6

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    My outline so far:


    Long wall of text


    Episode VII: The Bloodline Heir

    Snoke, a middle aged human, leads the Freedom Coalition, a terrorist group seeking to liberate the criminal underworld from the New Republic

    The Jedi Hunter works in partnership with the Coalition. Both share a hatred for the Jedi

    Leia is Senator for Corellia and a Jedi

    Han is a New Republic general, leads Rogue Squadron with Captain Sam Fel

    Leia goes to Nal Hutta with two other Jedi (Corran Horn, Cilghal) and a team of delegates to negotiate with the Hutt Cartel. The Hutts hate Leia due to her killing Jabba. They partner with the Coalition who promises her death in exchange for an alliance.

    Leia is ambushed by the Hunter and thugs, Horn and Cilghal are killed along with the diplomats.

    Leia fights the Hunter

    Han and Chewbacca come to help along with Rogue Squadron (X-Wings replaced by Vigilance Interceptors)

    Leia escapes with the Falcon, the Hunter pursues them, kills the Rogue Squadron pilots except Sam

    Sam gets separated from Falcon, which is shot down over Vanqor

    Ben Solo leaves Jedi Academy on Ossus to return to Corellia and stay with his sister Kira while both their parents are gone.

    Kira wants to train as a Jedi, but Han and Leia are afraid for her safety

    Three years ago- Ben’s best friend Skyler turned to the dark side and killed a Jedi Master before vanishing

    Threepio lives with the Solo family

    Leia’s friend Winter visits Solo children while their parents are missing.

    Saba Sebatyne contacts Ben and tells him about the two Jedi deaths

    The Jedi are in a bad position to send help, because Luke wants as much protection as possible for the Younglings

    Han and Leia try to contact the New Republic, but the Hunter interferes with the transmission

    Snoke plots a terror attack on Taris’s capital city to alert the Republic, and wants to lure the Jedi into a confrontation

    Han, Leia and Chewbacca hide from the Hunter on Vanqor, he tries to track them down

    The Hutts impatiently demand Leia’s death, Snoke sends reinforcements and bounty hunters across the galaxy, broadcasts a message

    Kira leaves Corellia in Ben’s StealthX to help her parents

    Sam Fel makes contact with the Republic on Coruscant, is ordered along with all craft not to go anywhere near Hutt Space.

    Sam sees Kira flying towards Nal Hutta, follows her to stop her and intercepts her on the planet.

    Ben and Winter follow Kira in Winter’s ship, they go to Ossus to inform the Jedi of what happened.

    Luke decides to take action despite not wanting to militarize the Jedi

    Hutt Cartel thugs find Kira and Sam and fight them,

    they escape before Ailyn Vel corners them and kidnaps Kira

    Ailyn Vel reveals personal grudge due to her being Boba Fett’s daughter, she decides to take Kira to the Coalition alive due to the reward

    Sam follows Ailyn’s ship, Kira uses the Force to hijack the ship and land it on Illum en route to Taris

    Kira runs away, Ailyn chases her into caves

    Kira gets lost in cave, has visions of both Anakin and Darth Vader

    Kira escapes the cave, but is captured by the Hunter and Coalition reinforcements sent by Snoke and taken to Taris

    Sam follows them in secret, contacts Republic forces

    Luke, Artoo, and a team of Jedi Masters come with Ben, Winter and Threepio to Vanqor to help Han and Leia, Luke helps fix the Falcon, the party rendezvous with Republic aid including Lando Calrissian

    Sam contacts them and tells them to go to Taris

    Snoke announces that he has Kira hostage, will detonate entire city unless the Jedi come to battle with the Coalition

    Jedi and Republic forces come to Taris and face large Coalition army with explosives devices, face many causalties

    Luke, Han, Leia and Ben search for Kira, Snoke and the Hunter battle them while Ben rescues his sister, Republic scouts search for Snoke’s bomb

    Luke battles Snoke while Han and Leia fight Ailyn Vel, Ailyn escapes while Luke kills Snoke, the Hunter confronts Ben and Kira, Snoke activates the detonator underground before his death

    The Hunter is revealed to be Skyler, Ben tries to convince to turn away, Skyler says he must fight for his bloodline the way the Skywalkers and Solos defend theirs

    Ben and Skyler duel, Skyler wins but spares Ben’s life, Kira attacks Skyler who begins to Force-choke her

    Ben tries to protect her, the Hunter is about to finish him off when Luke arrives.

    Luke duels Skyler, tells Kira and Ben to leave in the StealthX he arrived in, Kira tries to help Ben but he is too injured to walk, Ben tells her to go without him.

    Kira flies the StealthX through the underground passagway, joins the Republic pilots in search of Snoke’s underground detonator.

    Kira destroys it before the city is leveled, Skyler, Ailyn Vel and Coalition forces retreat, Skyler goes to Byss to speak with the holocron containing the spirit of his great-grandfather, Palpatine
    Han and Leia decide that Kira must now be trained, send her with Ben back to Luke’s Jedi academy

     
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  21. divapilot

    divapilot Force Ghost star 4

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  22. Emperor Ferus

    Emperor Ferus Force Ghost star 6

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    Should I bring Palpatine back in this way or not at all?

    A subsequent twist will be that the Holocron is not Palpatine at all, but Plagueis in disguise

    Another question? Should Luke die at all? Han and Leia are safe, but will appear less in VIII and IX, though Leia will be prominent in VIII.
     
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  23. WarmNyota_SweetAyesha

    WarmNyota_SweetAyesha Game Host Who Loves Fanfics & RPGs star 7 VIP - Game Host

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    @Emperor Ferus -- your entire plot sounds incredibly riveting =D= Bringing back Palpatine in such a twist would be intriguing indeed. [face_thinking]
     
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  24. Emperor Ferus

    Emperor Ferus Force Ghost star 6

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    Thanks! About Luke, should I kill him in either VIII or the beginning of IX?

    I am not offing Han or Leia, though they will be featured less prominently. Leia however, will have a relatively large role in VIII.
     
  25. Emperor Ferus

    Emperor Ferus Force Ghost star 6

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    Sorry to do this again, but I’m at the point where Kira Solo is leaving to go help her parents (she is 13). As of right now, she is aware that the Coalition is chasing her parents and also terrorizing a city.

    Is that sufficient to cause her to leave Corellia? She is 13, and she is frustrated at not being able to do anything to help either her parents or the galaxy at large.