Senate The Senate is splitting off

i think at least part of the point that wocky is making is that if the senate is split off the senate regulars will likely stay there and no longer contribute to more serious jcc discussions. since that's pretty much how it was before, it does seem likely.

 

epic - The point is having debate-oriented threads more strictly moderated, more than normal JCC threads are. And yes, that's going to be a niche forum by default: I myself do post in serious JCC threads but would never post in the Senate under their stricter ruleset because it's not my thing.

tom - I know, and that's precisely what hurts me the most. Don't forget that I was one of the main munchkins behind the merge.

 

i've posted in many senate threads which aren't "debate-orientated"; they're just threads where more serious discussions occur. sure, some may end up being debatey in nature, but it's by no means guarenteed, and it's also not to say debates can't and won't occur in jcc threads.

i think this decision has been made in terms of perception rather than actuality.

out of interest, how many mods voted to separate the Senate?

 

guys maybe the mods aren't interested the community feedback because we're expressing our opinions like jcc people and not senate people. NEED MORE PARAGRAPHS

 

Well, that's bullshinto. I brought this topic up months ago and the mods were so on the fence and against the separation that the fence was lodged in their anus.

 

Sometimes I feel like people will oppose things for the sake of it.

While I'm fully behind moving these threads to a place I don't have to look at them, I don't see how it makes a difference either way--yet another non-issue for posters to get worked up about and moderators to pat themselves on the back for what an innovative, forward thinking bunch they are.

Who cares? Stay, don't stay. It's one click over, for Pete's sake. Please take a step bak an gain some perspective on how incredibly insignificant this announcement is--even in relation to these forums.

 

at the end of the day, juliet, i am a practical man. if my goals can be accomplished without the utter annihilation of my enemies, and merely their public failure and humiliation, well, then, all the better that they're still around to have their shortcomings rubbed in their faces a little longer

 

You're moving the Senate?




It's treason then.

 

What a bloody awful film that was.

 

Stop posting controversial opinions. Those are for the Senate now.

 

Milquetoast posts only, please.

 

Ah, if I want that I just go the JCC. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I mean if I wanted a discussion that drifts from stupid to mentally disabled to just stupid, then I go to the JCC. But I hardly go here (JCF) anymore sooo...cheers.

 

POPCORN TIME

 

This.

I think this is a poor decision.

 

Not to engage in user-modding, but I'd like to point out that this thread is senate-tagged, and thus much of the discussion that has occurred within it is not up to an appropriate level of discussion.

 

Senate people can still post in senate threads and they still will. That won't decrease your postings. It also won't increase it. *For the most part* the people posting in those threads haven't changed. I honestly don't see the move negatively affecting the Senate in any way. As far as bettering the senate, which seems to be the only main concern of people - just increasing the posts.... honest to god I don't think anyone besides the people already posting in Senate care about the wellfare of that forum at all. You guys are pretty much on your own. This whole concept should give you a pretty good start to a new Senate thread to debate about, which should increase your activity. So maybeeeeee this is a good thing? Eh? EHHH?

Also the discussion has been going on in Comms for a while now and I really don't see anyone defending keeping the 2 forums together who is giving an actually good reason why besides the overly worded points that water down to "your modding sucks" "this is bad leadership" and "moving it is stupid". Those aren't really actual reasons to justify any point. If there were more real reasons given, without ignoring the facts of the countering ones (considering that traffic has already been addressed), then maybe there would have been more of a controversy over the split.

 

I would neither expect nor ask that. But I find it incredibly specious for you to claim that your tried to look diligently into community impact by doing nothing more than asking two people their opinion. There are enormously better ways to collect substantive input, as you well know because you actually did those things when first considering how to handle the forums post-transition.

What has in fact happened here is that unlike before, you came to a conclusion by excluding the opinion of the affected users. Users who, it seems, disagree pretty heartily with the decision. You have a right to do that, but let's be clear about what's happening.

Why do you keep emphasizing this? Do you really think the response would be different given some other vote margin? We're objecting because the decision, in its substance, seems stupid. The fact that you got everyone to do something stupid together doesn't change that.

You left an open thread for feedback. We're offering it. Usually, decisions taken without an clear rationale have some provided or explained to the user base. Here, we haven't gotten much beyond "Superwatto and Lowbacca want it this way." If you guys had extensive, exhaustive discussion that covered all these points, can you offer anything more substantive than this? That would potentially spur some re-evaluation (certainly from me). Otherwise, though, I would continue to respond that both the outcome and process of this decision was markedly poor.

 

Look guys, I've been racking my brain over this for half a year. There are pros and cons both to staying and going. The idea of the move is older than my modship, and it has already been discussed to death among users. With no consensus. It has been discussed to death in MS. With no consensus. Only when a vote was finally organized in MS last week, it turned out there were no votes against it.

 

I'm finding this all of this to be a bit humorous... so what if The Senate is its own forum again? BFD... as EF pointed out, it's only a click away. And if some folks still want a serious tinge in some Community threads, why would we need Senate users for that? You can't do that yourselves?

 

on the contrary, there appears to be quite a large concensus against splitting.

i daresay there wouldn't have been any votes against keeping the forums together, if that was how the vote had of been phrased.

 

i don't care much either, but a wider array of opinions does make for better discussion, tunes. don't be so thick. ​

 

Everybody knows the senate was at its peak when it was my own private doomsday blog

 

uh, that wasn't my point but in the jcc of old people were redirected to the senate all the time.