ST The ST: What Would You Change/Revise?

When they went for the Master Codebreaker, found him IMMEDIATELY, then went away with some other guy who never showed up before or since, I just really thought there was no point whatsoever.

 

I always wondered what made them think to have it play out that way...I actually would've preferred the master codebreaker helping them-he seemed a really intriguing James Bond-type! But I guess ultimately it was all useless, as Finn and Rose ultimately failed in their whole plan anyway-it was just...busy work for their characters, while everything else was going on.

 

was Benicio the code breaker they were looking for? Or did they just happen to be thrown in jail with another codebreaker? Either way seems a bit silly.

 

I've been wondering if it might have been a better idea to have Leia Force project to Ben on Kef Bir, rather than just reach out to him through the Force. Perhaps it might have been a more literal (and redundant) visual, but I think it could have more clearly communicated the effort and exertion that ultimately led to her passing.

 

that's an interesting idea, but some might have complained that Luke and Leia die the same way.

 

I'd argue Luke chose to pass into the Force, not that the Force projection itself killed him.

 

The fancy guy at the table with the mustache and white suit is the codebreaker they were actually looking for, and yes-DJ just happened to be a thief who knew how to codebreak. Seemed like he worked out fine, but it still wouldn't have mattered, cos they all got caught anyways...

I also would've preferred a direct force projection. I wouldn't have minded if it was similar to how Luke died. I just figured the reason they did it the way they did was due to the limited footage they had of Carrie. Which I of course can forgive.

 

Anyone seen this - this is exactly what I would change revise - it would have made a huge difference to the end of TROS and would have brought the saga full circle with all the big players in the saga as force ghosts to finally defeat Palpatine :

https://comicbook.com/movies/news/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-rey-palpatine-all-the-jedi-force/

 

No need for showing the actual Force ghosts in my opinion. The voices were enough. I'd only tweak it so that it would end the same way as the trailer:

Luke: The Force will be with you...
Leia: Always

And then Rey Force pulls Leia's saber.

 

DJ spinning some old records and doing karaoke.

 

Going back to this BS of a rumour to remove the ST from canon :

You simply cannot do it because :

1. What would they actually do - make George Lucas's ST treatment and recast Leia not forgetting that Mark Hamill and Harrison ford would be to old to lead this trilogy in say 2026,
2. Also you could simply not erase TFA, TLJ and TROS out of your mind and most people actually love the new characters from the ST.
3. You cannot erase the ST based on a few loud and vocal fans.
4. The ST actually had some great moments for the OT characters and the TROS gave them a good send off.
5. Much like the PT the ST wasn't perfect and 4 movies from both trilogies have similar reviews and box office results and still there is no call to remove the PT from canon.

 

2. What brings you to that conclusion?
3. There are a few that are loud and vocal, but also millions who just no longer care. The silent majority is simply indifferent about the ST. That's why it's lost millions.

 

I found it typical for the movie as a whole: setting something up, then pulling a bait and switch. Fine once or twice in a movie (Rise of Skywalker did this), but in TLJ it was about every ten minutes.

 

2. That's the overwhelming consensus is literally no one ripped into or hated Finn , Rey , Poe or Kylo Ren this was never a thing and the general feeling is JJ nailed the characters.
3. The ST made more money than the PT adjusted for inflation - it took less than hoped but overall made heaps of profit.

 

Looking at twitter over the years there is a strong fan base for Reylo that seems to have got stronger from what I've seen after TROS where Finn and Poe was never much of a fan base but the most hate went to Rose and the portrayal of Luke Skywalker in TLJ.....one thing about the PT it had a much stronger finish with ROTS than the ST had with TROS in terms of reviews , satisfaction and ROTS had a box office increase from the last entry however TROS pretty much matched ROTS adjusted box office.

 

ST also had the advantage of 3D prices that PT didn't. Internationally, markets that weren't big contributors to the boxoffice between 1999 and 2005 exploded in the last decade.

So when you adjust ROTS to inflation, you get 497M vs TROS's 515M which is a very small difference and TROS still had 3D so it's very likely that TROS would come under ROTS if you remove 3D bump.

 

Correction. There was a point. Justin Theroux got his cameo.

 

Twitter is not a reliable gauge of public opinion.

 

@godisawesome

According to MPAA:

TFA 10 Day demo breakdown by ethnicity

W 61%
L 15%
B 12%
A 7 %
O 5%

TLJ 10 day demo breakdown by ethnicity

W 57% down by 4%
L 18% up by 3%
B 11% down by 1%
A 9% up by 2%
O 4% down by 1%

So Latino and Asian audience share increased by 2% and 3%, while Black and Other audience share dropped by 1%.

TFA gender share:

M: 58%
F: 42%

TLJ gender share:

M 59% up 1%
F 41% down 1%

Nether drops nor increases are drastic so it's all within expected. The franchise continues to attract overwhelmingly white male audience because it obviously appeals to their sensibilities.

They didn't release TROS data yet so I can't compare but don't expect drastic difference.

You might be interested to know that Rogue One, that was praised for its diverse cast, had no bigger non-white or female share than TFA/TLJ:

W 62%
L 15%
B 11%
A 8%
O 4%

M 59%
F 41%

 

Have Rian Johnson do the entire thing from the offset.
Along with the wish that the beloved Carrie did not leave us so early

 

Me and my brother were talking about redoing the sequels from scratch and my brother had been looking up some legends stuff recently, and he came to me with the concept of the Yuuzhan Vong, a race of creatures that apparently are immune to force abilities, for the most part and are cut off from the force as a species. God, if He wills, blessed us with ideas on how to use this and build a story with it, and, to me, have a more interesting antagonist in Kylo Ren.

Essentially in the years after of the destruction of the Empire, there was a power vaccum left. As our heroes worked to structure the new republic, the Yuuzhan Vong crawled out from the outer rim of the galaxy and sought to fill the void, attacking planets and raiding them, showcasing their dominance in the universe.

Our heroes were forced to engage in a war against them. This war lasting years.

Luke trained jedi to fight against this threat. But the jedi weren't as effective of an army against them, as they were creatures who weren't vulnerable to the force. Luke's star student, Ben Solo, the son of Han and Leia, was appointed by Luke, as the leader of the new jedi in these battles, and over time became bitter and enraged at their losses, the loss of villages and lives, because of the jedi's weakness against the Yuuzhan Vong. Ben, in desperation to end this threat and save the galaxy from them, delved into sith dark side teachings, discovering that only by dark side abilities could the Yuuzhan Vong be defeated. Resistant to this at first, when his own people were killed by them, in rage and grief, Ben led an assault on the Yuuzhan Vong homeworld, in defiance of Luke's orders and his call to avoid those ways of doing things, and massacred them, defeating with sith lightning powers and murdering their leader, as Luke attempts to stop him. Luke, horrified by his nephew's actions, only able to ask, "What have you done?" Ben, only answering in a voice not of glee or enjoyment, but of coldness, almost remorse of the blood on his hands and a perception of necessity, "I did what needed to be done to save the galaxy."

In the midst of this, Ben discards his former name and leads the jedi who will follow him, in a campaign to take over the galaxy, and bring peace to it, agreeing with Empire's concept of ideas, but hating their methods of the destruction of civilian lives.

In TFA, Ben, now dubbed Kylo Ren, leads his men, under the orders of a dark side cult, a group that seek to re-establish the Empire under the sith mantle, with the First Order, remnants of the Empire. These remnants aren't just made up of people seeking to rule the universe for power and such, but also people who experienced positive things under it (to them peace), that it's destruction, to them, has brought into chaos. The FO seeks to use old Empire tech, Project Cinder, to attack the new republic, this succeeding. Han can still be killed by Kylo, but this time, out of a sense to prevent Han from undoing his goals, Kylo promising his dad that he will bring peace to the galaxy like his family has always wanted and his heroic sacrifice will be honored. Kylo, then, at the end, in his pain and grief, killing the dark side cult and taking over the First Order, dismissing the sith teachings and mantle, to establish a dark side army, that will have the strength to bring the peace to the galaxy he thinks the jedi were never able to, ending the slavery and mob ruled underbelly of the galaxy and establishing a new order of strength and justice, in his mind.

 

The only change I would have made: Keep Luke Skywalker alive. I realize that presents a new set of narrative challenges, but I think it could have been done in a fashion similar to Gandalf in Lord of the Rings.

 

Why does Han always have to die?
Just asking'....

Also, Rian Johnson doing the whole trilogy? Hard pass. It was bad enough he did one of them. Not that JJ was any better. Send both of them far away from Star Wars. JJ should never be let near any established franchise ever again after Trek and Wars (I have no opinion on his M:I since I never saw it and that franchise was ruined for me in the first one (although I did see Ghost Protocol and it wasn't bad)).