TV Discussion The Supernatural Force (The Ones, Priestesses, Magiks etc.)

remember that extra world between worlds portal?



maybe?

 

That owl(Morai) has the ability to enter in and out've dimensions and planet hop at will.

 

Obviously last night was a huge moment for fans of the Force mysticism element of Star Wars. We not only had Nightsister magicks being used heavily and far more obviously than they ever have been before, but we also had the Daughter herself in the form of Morai, and statues of the Father and Son make appearances. This is on top of Anakin showing himself in the World Between Worlds as a Father-type figure of balance. I also find it interesting how there is no "mother" in the Mortis "family," and yet the Nightsister witches refer to themselves as "Mother," ala Mother Talzin.

Personally, with this setup, it would be disappointing if nothing less than the full realm of Mortis and actual gods were introduced. Filoni has dropped so many breadcrumbs in both Rebels and Ahsoka that in my mind, there's no way they don't actually appear.

How would you like to see further exploration and connections between the mystic elements handled in Season 2 and beyond of Ahsoka, Filoni's feature film, and anything else the plot thread touches?



Todd EDIT: Merged with an older thread.

 

I bet the Great Mothers could have conjured up the stolen data tapes.

 

I think Baylan is going to find The Mother and set her on the galaxy. I think The Mother will be the Mother of all Nightsister Mothers. The definite article you might say

 

But the Mother's were scared of whatever was there on that planet. And Baylan didn't really seemed overly interested in their 'religion' or whatever they were really after. So I don't see the two (the Mothers/Night Sisters and THE Mother) as being connected.

 

Who knows what she became that led to her being locked away. A danger to her own people?

I don't think Baylan entirely knows what he's looking for but he is being called the same way the Great Mothers called Morgan

 

I think Baylan wants to become the new father. in some weird way. This is probably one of those releasing an ancient being and wanting to side by them.

 

More seriously, though, I hope we don't get a Mother character. Lucas introduced Mortis as a mythological origin story for his universe and specifically for the Force. There's a clear role that each of the three characters in this family plays, and I'm not sure what value there'd be to adding a fourth one. They represent the light side of the Force, the dark side of the Force, and the balance between them.

I'm also very surprised by the sudden enthusiasm for making Abeloth canon. Maybe I missed something, but for the past decade I've never had the impression that Star Wars fans were especially fond of Fate of the Jedi or its main villain. I was a big fan of this character back in the day, but even then I acknowledged that the story was weak. And linking her to Mortis, while interesting, was not really a great decision and weakened both the book series and the Mortis arc. So I'd rather she stay in the past as an artifact of its time.

By the way, while the Star Wars databank consistently called this family "the Ones" and "Force wielders," the episodes themselves don't really give these characters a specific name. In fact, Christian Taylor, the writer who wrote the Mortis arc for The Clone Wars, said in a 2011 interview with the LA Times that the characters were called Overlords. This never appears in the episodes themselves either, though that is the title of the first episode of the arc. But I think it's likely that this is how the characters were known by the writers and possibly also by Lucas himself.

 

Those remind me a lot of the giant statues in Lord of the Rings.

 

I think the Statue of the Father is pointing to a portal to the WBW. The mural of the father did the same thing in Rebels.

 

Well, the Great Mothers were in some kind of stasis for who-knows-how-long. Ezra said that Thrawn found the fortress and awakened the Nightsisters. So whatever they’re fleeing has been unencumbered for a long time. I don’t imagine that it’s trapped or sealed in any way.

 

It has to be Abeloth or something like her. It’s the only thing that makes sense.

 

Well, having read and listened to some 411 on the Mother, she can make sense and add something to the allegory. As the mother, like the father, she helps to keep balance between the Son and Daughter, but what makes her different from the rest is she is mortal. And as a mortal, she cannot handle the power the Ones give her, and as a result she begins to go mad and abuse the Son and Daughter. When the Father realized this, he took his children away from her, and she descended further into madness and destruction.

So the new dimension she brings to the allegory is the lesson that ultimate power is not for mere mortals, an interesting lesson for Force users who are something more than average mortals, but not immortals.

Would such a theme make sense with a character like Baylan? Yes. He has delusions of grandeur. He wants to change reality. He wants to destroy in order to create, very similar to the Mother and Son.

 

You are correct. But this doesn’t seem like a name so much as a description. And Filoni at least would go on to use it as the in-universe term for what fans and EU writers would term “Force sensitives,” applying it to the Jedi and Sith as well.

 

The Father, Son and Daughter coming to live action. Pls. Maybe even big screen.

 

If it's Abeloth then hopefully she is toned down some. I liked the idea in the EU but the power creep became a bit ridiculous.

 

It's probably just extinction that they're running from. Salvation lies on Dathomir.

 

I’d imagine a lot of the sudden enthusiasm for Abeloth is from people who were never fans of the pre-Denningverse post-ROTJ Legends stories and just heard about Abeloth from Youtube.

 

I could’ve gone longer without reading the term “pre-Denningverse.” Alas, my life is now less than it was before.

 

I like the idea of there being a Mother of the Ones and feel like Abeloth would be a good opposite to the Father as it would be chaos vs balance/order.

 

I want someone who is far more creative than I to determine what happens. I have no interest in Abeloth. She would only be more backstory the GA doesn't know. As well, the Father, Daughter and Son are enough Mystic opportunities.

I do think Ahsoka will "level up" by the end. If she becomes the daughter, is she trapped?