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The Book of Boba Fett The Twins (spoilers)

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Current and Future Shows' started by Bor Mullet, Jan 7, 2022.

  1. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 6

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    So, the Twins. I suppose they should each get their own thread, but for now they’ll have to settle for one. What do we know about them so far?

    1. Jabba’s cousins
    2. From Nal Hutta
    3. Six years or so after ROTJ, they challenge Boba Fett for Janna (and Fortuna’s) former throne, and claim to be daimyos of Tatooine

    Don’t have their names yet. Let’s guess.

    I say: Jimmy and Jill.
     
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  2. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Anthology/Fan Films Manager and Ewok Enthusiast star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    The Twins are characters that I immediately wanted to know more about. Loved their entrance, and it's just so much fun to see more Hutts.
     
  3. The Chalk Jedi

    The Chalk Jedi Jedi Master star 4

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    I believe they've been distracted from Tatooine because of the War of the Bounty Hunters series. Or something like that. I think I've also heard that the Hutts were at war with each other or something.

    So looks like whatever was keeping them busy is now over.
     
  4. theorenwulf

    theorenwulf Jedi Knight star 1

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    Really liked their introduction, absolutely fitting for them and I think adroitly prepared with the whole talk about litters in the first two episodes. I do wonder if they are connected to any previously established Hutts apart from Jabba. Maybe children of Ziros think someone suggested that in another thread and wasn't he an uncle of Jabbas? Their tatoos might also point in this direction, as I think Ziro was so far the only Hutt with tatoos in canon. But even if there is no connection the tatoos are a nice touch.

    I also like the implication that they are maybe more the Hutt versions of trustfundkids than committed gangster lords. Could make for a very different kind of Hutt and would also make sense with the Hutts leadership getting wiped out in the comics shortly before Episode 6 and then Jabba in Episode 6, that in the resulting power vacuum people rise to power that maybe aren't as focused on gangster careers as the old bosses. But since this so far is only conjection based on Bobas one line in the episoded, maybe it won't be true, would definetely distinguish them from Jabba though.
     
  5. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 6

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    I thought it was genius to make them twins. We’ve already been disgusted by Jabba. So to give audiences a new level of disgust, they give us this uncomfortable closeness on the litter, implying possible incest.

    Oddly, I had once penned on this website a short draft opening for The Last Jedi where bounty hunter Benicio del Toro, working for the First Order, executes a hit on a Hutt on a litter (in a street) who is rousing a crowd to resist First Order rule (the scene ends with him receiving his next bounty - Luke Skywalker). Just a funny little extra personal something that made me appreciate this even more…
     
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  6. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 6

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    Boba did mention that they were distracted by debauchery on Nal Hutta. Though that may have just been a prejudice of his talking.
     
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  7. theorenwulf

    theorenwulf Jedi Knight star 1

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    Maybe I can clarify this a bit but I'm gonna put it behind spoiler tags as it is touching on story arcs currently still running in the comics

    The War of the Bounty Hunters takes place a couple of months before Episode 6, at the end of it a Crimson Dawn infiltrator within the Hutt council takes control of there fleet and has them attack Imperial force which leads to the Empire destroying the Hutt fleet and Vader executing the whole Hutt Council. Jabba being the only survivour due to not being present takes sole charge of the Hutts. Shortly after this Crimson Dawn provokes a whole-scale syndicate war by pretending that the Empire is looking for a new premium crime partner after their falling out with the Hutts. Jabba seems to keep his feet still in this war, probably a wise move due to the heavy losses the Hutts have already taken. But we all know what happens to Jabba a couple months down the line. So after his death the Hutts are presumably completely leaderless, which could probably provoke massive internal conflicts with scores of Hutts from the second row so to speak fighting for supremacy. This is definetely something that could keep the Twins busy on Nal Hutta for a couple of years. Though in a situation like this it also seems odd that no one laid claim to Jabbas prime territory, Tatooine. But maybe someone tried and Bib fought them off or Bib really was working for the Twins or someone else, as has already been speculated by many.
     
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  8. The Chalk Jedi

    The Chalk Jedi Jedi Master star 4

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    Thanks, this clears things up nicely. After the chaos of the wars, I'm sure the Twins probably decided to goof off and engage in debauchery, because that's exactly what I would do.

    Do you know who Boba would have to ask permission of to kill the Twins off?
     
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  9. theorenwulf

    theorenwulf Jedi Knight star 1

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    I was wondering about this as well, I have no idea. In other threads people have been raising several possibilities. If you assume he is working for someone, his boss, if you assume he is somehow in league with the New Republic, whoever is in charge there, maybe one of the big three, if you assume he tooks his position as Daimyo as part of some kind of alliance with the Tuskens and other allies, those aforementioned allies. And the most obvious one of course, whoever is currently in charge in Hutt Space, a new Hutt Council or some kind of new leader. All of those are possible and I personally wouldn't want to make any kind of guess, though I kind of see the last possibility as mest likely and the New Republic theory as the most out there, to be honest. But with the "present" storyline having gotten so few airtime so far I don't think you can make any kind of judgement yet.
     
  10. The Chalk Jedi

    The Chalk Jedi Jedi Master star 4

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    I agree with you -- the most likely answer is that "made men" are protected to a degree and you need special permission to take them out.

    That's part of what makes organized crime organized.
     
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  11. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 6

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    I really like the idea that Boba was given a head nod by the New Republic to clean up Tatooine, but that he’d need to get permission from his contacts there to assassinate some hutts. Don’t know if that’s very likely, but I love the world building implications of it. Perhaps leading to a wholly new status quo for Tatooine in the post-BoBF timeline.
    Yes, but isn’t Boba defying the existing structures of that organized crime?
     
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  12. theorenwulf

    theorenwulf Jedi Knight star 1

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    Oh I absolutely agree, I'd like the implication of him working with the New Republic, I just don't think its particularly likely. And while the whole Hutt theory makes the most sense, I could see it not happening because he does seem to want to clean Tatooine up. On the other hand with the Hutts he'd make some very powerful enemies, so I could see that having them acknowledge his claim there could be something worth to him, even if he wants to clean up Tatooine. If pressed I would honestly think that the person they have to get approval from is someone totally unexpected. Qi'ra could actually be a possibility if she actually appears but I'm only gonna believe that rumour if I actually see it happening.
     
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  13. The Chalk Jedi

    The Chalk Jedi Jedi Master star 4

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    I definitely like the idea of Boba Fett becoming a bit like Cassian Andor -- doing the dirty work of the Republic. I'm just not confident that Favreau would go that far with such a radical story. But then again, I myself have mentioned Boba could eventually become the Talon Karrde of the new era.

    I suspect though that Boba probably wants to be an independent ruler of Tatooine, but if he does go against the existing structures of organized crime as you say, then he probably (maybe?) would need the support of the New Republic?

    Whatever happens, I'm excited to see where Boba's new path takes us -- lots of possibilities.
     
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  14. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 6

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    I’m also just thrilled that hutts are back on the scene. When I saw ROTJ as a kid, the beginning was always my favorite and that was due to the zany complexity of Jabba’s weird criminal world, the intriguingly old temple he was operating from, and most importantly, the despotic Jabba himself. The hutts invite funky worldbuilding by their very nature.
     
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  15. starfish

    starfish Chosen One star 5

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    I liked everything about the whole entrance

    the drums in the distance, everyone goes quiet, even Max Rebo stops playing, the drums get closer, everyone on the street stops and stares making the whole procession like a parade, the two distinct Hutts, one with a tiny fan the other with some rat thing, the servants struggling to hold them up, the discussion and dialogue with Boba Fett, ending with sleep lightly, bounty hunter

    oh and flipping Black Krrsantan makes his appearance, just all around cool
     
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  16. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 5 Staff Member Manager

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    I think the fact they didn't (successfully, at least) oppose Bib's "usurpation" of Jabba's holdings implies at least some kind of slothful laziness/timidity when faced with an "inside man" assuming control of Jabba's contacts and infrastructure - and the fact they backed down when Boba directly challenged them, and that they seem to be banking on pure intimidation and assassination to retake the organization implies that Boba is at least correct to think they don't have the hold on the infrastructure to actually have it reject him.

    Their position is weak enough and removed enough that even showing up with an enforcer and a retinue of retainers, and with having bullied/intimidated *some* of Tatooine's vassals, at least one of whom is already a bit defiant of Boba... they still back down for Boba, Fennec, and a pair of nameless Gamoreans.

    They're mere shadows of Jabba for right now, with only a thimble-full of his power and authority. I do think the sister seems like she's the actual brains of their operation, with the brother more the spokesman.

    Boba actually might be relying on the Twin's own negligence and "political" failures to keep the Cartel from interfering for the moment. As he himself pointed out, it was Bib who usurped Jabba's Empire from the twins, not he; he merely usurped the usurper. In criminal and feudal societies, that technicality hurts the Twins' position. If they wanted to - or were capable of - assuming their inheritance, why didn't they already? Hasn't Boba shown he has the greater initiative to rule than they? And if he can hold it and manage it, doesn't that make his right of conquest over a rebel to the Cartel's authority justified?

    I feel this is a situation a lot of rulers and bosses could sympathize with.
     
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  17. The Chalk Jedi

    The Chalk Jedi Jedi Master star 4

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    It is pretty exciting to have Hutts back in live action!
     
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  18. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 6

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    I saw them backing down as decidedly temporary. And as a show of force, not weakness. Boba is so small to them that they can deal with him later.
     
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  19. starfish

    starfish Chosen One star 5

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    in addition to the scene being cool as ****

    I do also think it expands what’s going on here quite a bit, the story isn’t just about Tatooine anymore. Mos Espa, Garsa Fwip, the Mayor, the Tusken are all interesting but now that the Hutts are involved it makes the story have much more of an impact on a galactic scale
     
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  20. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Anthology/Fan Films Manager and Ewok Enthusiast star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Yes!
    I hope we'll get to visit Hutt Space properly in the show. Nar Shaddaa please.
     
  21. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 6

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    I still can't believe we heard the name Nal Hutta spoken in live-action Star Wars.
     
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  22. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 5 Staff Member Manager

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    Temporary, yes, and they definitely think they can take him in the long run.

    But as small as they may think he is, they backed down when he had only one other badass as backup alongside two bodyguards who, while formidable in their own way, are generally canon fodder.

    It was definitely an attempt to see if he could just be scared away and a display of some of their might... but on some level, it was still an early-game bluff as well. They have the claim, the "right" species, and at least some muscle on-site, but not enough to accept Boba's open challenge when his forces are in the single digits, even on the disputed territory.

    Jabba and the other established Hutt bosses wouldn't back down... but they also wouldn't have let Bib take over their stuff.

    These are ultimately still two spoiled children who want back what was promised them, but are wary enough of the potential of failure to vacate the premises when violence is required to remain.
     
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  23. Kyle Katarn

    Kyle Katarn Force Ghost star 6

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    Taking a page out of the Duggar’s playbook, eh?
     
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  24. starfish

    starfish Chosen One star 5

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    I think it’s just that Bib Fortuna was mostly running things the same way as Jabba, even if very lazily and mostly for his own self interest. Business was the same and didn’t have much of an impact on the Hutts end of things

    Now Boba shows up and wants to change how things operate on several different levels, that’s going to have more impact on the Hutts end of the business
     
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  25. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 6

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    Right. The Boba takeover may have simply served as a wake-up call (whereas Fortuna taking over didn’t merit a response - perhaps because the same structures that financially benefited the hutts had stayed in place). The violent Boba takeover was therefore consequential enough to wake them from their slumber, as it may be threatening their bottom line a bit. “OK, OK, let’s go take care of this real quick so we can then get back to our debauchery.”

    Though now my larger question is: who sent the Twins? Did they come on their own initiative, or were they ordered to retake the throne?
     
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