Senate The US Politics 2.0 Discussion Thread

The KKK supposedly has around 3k members where’s the proud boys in America supposedly have 18k

 

@Luke02

I was just passing along where they likely met.

 

Well, that didn’t take long

Republicans are already working to ‘fix’ voting.

HR1 must become law as soon as possible but my fear is the Supreme Court just throws it out.

 

Voting for Dems is fraud. So that needs to be fixed.

 

Pass it @Yodaminch and if it gets thrown out, have Republicans explain why they pick justices who were okay with limiting people's right to vote. Again pass everything and put the GOP on the defensive in 2022 on why they are wanting to throw out bills and laws that are popular.

 

I can confirm that there was 100% ownage. Frat boy was unable to provide a single example of fraud, was forced to concede that the “drop boxes” issue in Wisconsin failed to get a single Trump appointed judge excited about a possible constitutional breach, admitted that Democrats had fixed North Carolina election system and conceded that the election was not stolen, there was no fraud and Joe Biden was his President.

 

Oh but i thought the Dems were the ones trying to be divisive.

 

It's possible that things can change within the structure of the military, I suppose, but change is not going to come from a general-turned-defense-contractor no matter his skin color or sexuality or gender identity. His financial and ideological interests lie with the status quo. It's unlikely that one of the biggest supporters of the Iraq war would have appointed anyone better, I agree.

 

Bernie is promising to use Budget reconciliation to pass Biden’s COVID bill “as soon as we possibly can”

 

Let me sum this up. "You just call us all liars!' And then he sits there and lies his way through the entire exchange. And he can't answer the simple question, "Was the election stolen?"

 

That should be @Yodaminch the way it is going forward. Agsin the Republicans are not wanting to govern therefore just cut them out of the process completely.

That will be their talking point the next four years @VadersLaMent which is completely word salad. Again Democrats need to get Joe off the "bipartisan" kick because they are not interested in it. Like one reporter said Biden can either pass a a massive stimulus plan or have a "bipartisan bill". Cannot have both.

 

I love how this Rand muppet tries to by-pass the post election lawsuit fiasco by waiving away the lack of success as simply being due to a lack of 'standing'. There were over 60 lawsuits, not all of them were dismissed for lack of standing- if there was even one scrap of credible evidence it would have been thoroughly reviewed by one of the many courts which were petitioned.

 

And tons of cases were thrown out on merit. Marc Elias documented them on Twitter awhile back for people. Whenever it's shown to Republicans they pivot to "well what about...".

As Shepard Smith asked his former colleagues, how these people sleep at night I don't know.

 

They really can’t. They ruled on two major consolidated cases involving gerrymandering last year, and Chief Justice Roberts made it perfectly clear that the issue was “nonjusticiable“, and up to the political branches to solve. It would be very, very difficult for them to suddenly reverse course and strike down an expansion of voting rights that banned gerrymandering.

I mean, the Court has done some ****ed up ****, but this would be a step too far, IMHO. If HR 1 actually passed and the Court struck it down while Democrats were still fully in control, they would expand the number of seats for sure, and rightly so. Roberts is not that stupid.

Now Alito, Thomas, and Kavanaugh on the other hand.... and who knows what Barrett would do? Gorsuch still has a modicum of integrity, but not much. No, the bigger issue here will be the filibuster.

 

The Hill - [Senator Rand Paul:] Boycott sham impeachment

Less than 67 votes will be needed the more Senators boycott the vote and are excluded from proceedings like Cruz and Hawley could be. Only 2/3 a quorum is needed to convict.

 

Bold Prediction! The Republicans in Congress won't vote to stop Trump from running again in 2024, then in 2024 Trump gets the nomination and we are all sucked back into this hell all over again.

 

I don't think he makes it past the primary this time. If it takes a bunch of independents and democrats 'rigging' it by registering as republicans to vote for anyone but him, I see that happening.

I also think states (blue ones at least) may pass bills to try and keep him off the ballot by tying it to his taxes or crimes. And then there is the matter of the party itself- it could refuse to recognize Trump as the nominee.

But if it gets all the way to that point... I do expect Joe to run again. He won't risk Trump coming in to undo all of that hard work.

 

There is a big push @MagnarTheGreat to exclude Hawley & Cruz along with the other insurrectionalist senators since they not "jurors" but rather accomplices to the crime.

If Tr**p is somehow in the GOP field @Yodaminch in 2024, he will get the nomination the same way he did last time...with 40% of the GOP vote. I don't see how he will be on the ballot now though. So many legal and financial issues that are just going to go on and on and on and on. I forgot that the Summer Zervos will restart up now he is no longer president and might very need to testify in that case. He is going to spend years and years being a professional defendant. Plus I honestly think he is really mad with the GOP and that they were not "loyal enough to him" therefore I think he wants nothing to do with the GOP.

 

So Trump has 3 options.

• Run as a Republican: This would make a lot of Republicans pissed, especially those who are vying to run in 2024 - like Cruz, etc.. And I think they're going to run not matter what. As much as they're kissing Trump's ass, and dressing up in cosplay to resemble him as much as possible, they want the top office. They also know that if Trump couldn't win the pop vote in either election, and couldn't win in 2020, he's done. He's not ever going to do any better. So eventually they'd be forced to fight Trump and take him down, or kneel before Zod. Either way, the party continues to split, where moderates who dislike Trump (or are just plain sick of him) flee in just enough numbers (3-10%), or Trumpers stay home. Results - Dems win.
• Run as a Trump Party: This would split the party immediately. I don't even know who would go and who would stay, but probably not 100%. You'd have a real problem with current elected GOP lawmakers from every office in the land having to make a decision as to vote for party, or switch and vote for Trump. It would be a delicious mess. Results - Dems win.
• Run as a Pretender: Trump is is soon to be drowning in legal battles, and owes lots of banks, lenders, and shady people money. His assets are being seized. By pretending to seriously run, he can get his minions to fork over the money he'll need to defend himself in court. And then once 2022 is over, see who pays him the most to endorse a candidate. Results - hmmm...unclear.

Trump is going to need a lot of money to pull the first two options. His donors, lenders, banks, and business partners, are all running as fast away from him as possible. If he stays with GOP - and wins the nom - he has access to those donors and funds. If he runs as 3rd party - a new party - he's going to have to find that money himself from somewhere. And it can't just come from his conned followers buying hats. He'll need real money. And he doesn't have it. They're not going to give it to him.

 

The party is not splitting @DarkGingerJedi over Tr**p but rather they are contracting over him. There will be few members in the GOP but there will be no light between any of them either. It really has become a cult.

Edit: Need proof that it's a cult?



And yes SHS is leading in the polls there. She is a punchline for the majority of the country but in Arkansas they want to put her in the governor's mansion even though her father was a disaster when he was there.

 

You know, I find it so weird how deeply politics is ingrained in our social fabric. So much of people's identities are rooted in where they stand politically. During the Trump era that all kind of seemed normal. But I realized in the last few days it totally is NOT normal. I know this isn't the first time in history for this to be the case. But I just wonder how we got like this.

 

Lack of appropriately-funded and widely available public education coupled with abject stupidity.

 

The way I see it is that Republicans are going to spent the next four years kissing up to Trump's base so the base isn't going anywhere and then naturally when Trump runs in 2024 he'll immediately get the nomination.