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Senate The US Politics 2.0 Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Community' started by Point Given , Nov 11, 2020.

  1. Yodaminch

    Yodaminch Chosen One star 6

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    Scotland just became the first country to make sanitary products free. Meanwhile, states are trying to send women back to the kitchen.

    This is an area where Biden really could make a significant dent. Accepting the ERA as law and further building on it to follow in Scotland's footsteps could be huge.
     
  2. Lowbacca_1977

    Lowbacca_1977 Force Ghost star 6

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    Stayed in Cuba
     
  3. SateleNovelist11

    SateleNovelist11 Force Ghost star 6

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    I imagine Trump decided to concede because Powell and Giuliani were embarrassing his brand. But Trump may have a lot of followers, but they are a significant minority of the population, not the majority. I have a feeling that the next decade will see their love for him gradually wane. However, there are other fascists who could capture their love. As Orwell said, Big Brother requires love.
     
  4. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 9

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    He specifically stated that he wasn't going to tell his supporters how to vote should be lose, and then he did the exact opposite. Him campaigning for Joe Biden is only eclipsed in deception by Kamala "I was that girl" Harris agreeing to be VP.
     
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  5. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP

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    Apparently until Reagan decided to make it an Iran-Contra joke (thus fittingly tying another US tradition to war crimes) the tradition was that the President, if he was feeling benevolent, could spare the turkey he was offered, but often didn’t. This gave us, for example, an incredible photograph of LBJ eagerly anticipating sweet, sweet bird murder.

    [​IMG]
     
  6. 3sm1r

    3sm1r Force Ghost star 5

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    I can't believe you are really disappointed for something like this. It might be your most insane stance.
     
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  7. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Bernie told his supporters to vote for Biden because he understood the importance of getting Trump out and voting Biden was the only way to do that.

    Maybe the point of disagreement here is not thinking that getting Trump out is as critical as Bernie (and many of his supporters including me) saw it?

    I’m just glad more Bernie supporters were willing to vote Biden in 2020 than were willing to vote Hillary in 2016.
     
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  8. Drac39

    Drac39 Who Am I winner star 6 VIP - Game Winner

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    If Bernie were a moderate stooge Obama wouldn't have made the phone calls to make it easier for Biden to win the nomination
     
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  9. 3sm1r

    3sm1r Force Ghost star 5

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    I can understand not voting for Biden, but being hurt by Bernie campaigning for him is just absurd.
     
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  10. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    The threat of Trump was obvious this whole time. He should have not made a deal out of not demanding fealty to the dems if he lost. Election is over, has he bashed Biden for his awful cabinet picks yet? He has also taken moderate or right wing decisions before, and no not about guns rather about bombing the Balkans. That's why his long friendship with Michael Parenti ended actually.

    Demsocs cannot save us, and as we let Biden do what he promised and stack a cabinet full of CEOs and lobbyists all the while a deafening silence is present from the left of the coalition........well it just becomes obvious no one is fighting for us. Biden has made it clear Bernie is not on his cabinet and even if he was his dang VP it would not be worth the cost of what this admin is shaping up to be.

    Also 3SM1R it really that shocking? Why is it that people complain about some cult around Bernie, but then demand us same people bow before him? He is not my dad, nor is he leading a party or organization. Everyone went right back to brunch.

    And to be clear I am not angry at Bernie, this is what I expected. I am tired of demsocs and reformism. Big evil out of office, now throw everything at Biden and make demands dammit. Why Bernie compromises I get, why he is not making demands is the problem

    Pardon the title and thumbnail, the latter half of EJ's vid is a good argument
     
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  11. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Bernie isn’t in the Cabinet because the Democrats would have no chance whatsoever at the Senate. Vermont has a Republican Governor. Same reason Elizabeth Warren is not in the Cabinet, and that’s probably for the best.

    And as a Democratic Socialist myself, I’m not out to “save” anyone nor are the politicians who agree with me. I’m out to do what I can to make the country into the vision he outlined in Our Revolution and Where We Go From Here, or as closely as possible.
     
  12. 3sm1r

    3sm1r Force Ghost star 5

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    @vncredleader
    Biden isn't even the president yet. Can we breathe for a short second between one disgrace and the next ?

    I believe that Bernie will fight a good battle when it will be the time to do so, as he always has.
     
  13. dp4m

    dp4m JCC Playoff Pick 'Em Winner, Also a Narc star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    Yeah, it's weird that Bernie -- who signed a DNC pledge prior to the 2020 Primary to run and govern as a Democrat -- would campaign for the Democrat. Super weird. Also, given Indivisible (a supposedly-progressive group) submitted a pledge to all the candidates to all vow to campaign for the eventual primary winner (when they thought Sanders would win).
     
  14. mnjedi

    mnjedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    This once again proves the principle that while Republicans and Democrats both love a good red scare, nobody hates people on the left more than other people on the left.
     
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  15. Lordban

    Lordban Chosen One star 6

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    Bernie Sanders. Excommunicado after endorsing a Democrat on Socialist grounds. In effect, immediately.
     
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  16. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    I am not asking he be in the cabinet, my point is he needs to be attacking Biden. If it was a compromise to be followed with legit opposition then we would have that by now. Orange man is out of office, cabinet is being picked, NOW is the time to freaking hold Joe's feet to the dang fire. Now is the time to be uncompromising or we will never have this chance against till 2024.

    What will having them in the senate even do if Biden promises not to pass anything we want? We let him stack execs in the admin, promise to do nothing, and then what? What bargaining power do we have? We cannot making the country into anyone's vision if we make no demands. We don't have time. We ran out of time with NAFTA frankly. We should be threatening Biden right now and rallying an oppositional force. What good does promising them seats in the senate do for us if nothing we want is gonna be put to a vote?

    We need to think of this like parliament, not just minority vs majority leaders, but with an actual opposition party or parties. As it stands we have nothing but to be in their coalition with nothing of our own to argue from. Trump is out you stopped the cheeto, now we have to fight our actual rival and enemy. We cannot do that by promising to work with them or by making things easy for them. Giving Biden help or laying off for now is not doing a damn thing for us. There is no opposition to Biden being offered, maybe vague ideological splits, but no actual force or structure
     
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  17. Lordban

    Lordban Chosen One star 6

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    You don't have just one enemy. The GOP belong on that list too.
     
  18. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I consider Trump my actual enemy, same with anyone who thinks like him.

    And how much agenda that you want is going to be passed in a Mitch McConnell Senate? That is the literal other choice. This isn’t Parliament and we can’t pretend that it is. I’d like more than two major parties too but that is not what we have.

    I have no issue criticizing Biden’s Cabinet picks, I already mentioned in another thread that Cedric Richmond is terrible and should be opposed.

    AOC and Mondaire Jones have pushed back enough against Rahm Emmanuel that he is now no longer being considered for Transportation Secretary and is now being considered for US trade representative.

    AOC and Omar have started a petition to try to block Bruce Reed.

    This is a good article.

    And this is a good one about pushing Biden on climate issues.
     
  19. Lowbacca_1977

    Lowbacca_1977 Force Ghost star 6

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    That list should also include Arnold Picker, Alexander E. Barkan, Edwin Guthman, Maxwell Dane, Charles Dyson, Howard Stein, Allard Lowenstein, Morton Halperin, Leonard Woodcock, S. Sterling Munro, Jr., Bernard T. Feld, Sidney Davidoff, John Conyers, Samuel M. Lambert, Stewart Rawlings Mott, Ron Dellums, Daniel Schorr, S. Harrison Dogole, Paul Newman, and Mary McGrory
     
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  20. mnjedi

    mnjedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I’d argue in this particular case that Bernie coming out and tweeting in favor of the Amazon employees trying to unionize, is sticking it to Biden. The mainstream Dems love megacorps and Obama and Harris just finished their successful campaign to keep Uber from having to classify its employees as employees.

    It’s not saying it’s as savage as a straight up attack on the administration, but Bernie supporting workers rights and raising the profile of something I’m sure the establishment would prefer to be quashed quietly still is something.
     
  21. Runjedirun

    Runjedirun Force Ghost star 6

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    This probably belongs in the unpopular opinions column, but I would find a vegetarian president to be a pleasant change.
     
  22. dp4m

    dp4m JCC Playoff Pick 'Em Winner, Also a Narc star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    The early scuttlebutt was Eric Garcetti for SecTrans and I stand by that -- I think Rahm was just floated as "this is the worst possible pick" and when it's not him we'll be happy. :p Or Rahm leaked himself.
     
  23. vncredleader

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    Except accepting that we need the dems instead of making them accept that they need us is a mistake. AOC, Jones, and Omar are doing great, but they are stuck within the dems. Bernie needs to use his influence and weight to put up a front against Biden's picks asap. We cannot just leave individual justice dems to tackle this. It has to be upfront.

    We also cannot push Biden on climate, he is already selling climate activists out. We have nothing to bargain with.

    Also the dems are the real rival and enemy because we cannot even get at trump let alone the next trump or the one after that without beating libs. You cannot beat trumpians but appealing to the people who perfectly set the stage for him, convinced him to run, and openly are replicating the conditions that led to him. You are not stopping trump by compromising, you are just giving the dems reason to feel they can do the same thing again and again.


    Here is PSL tearing into all these godawful picks. There needs to be a large scale public opposition. It does not have to be parliament for you to do that. Other parties exist, Bernie has a platform on his own.

    Also what the heck does it mean that this is the only other choice than McConnel? Nothing is being offered by Biden. You are saying we need to compromise in the senate, compromise for what exactly? I am not talking about getting an agenda passed,

    I am talking about shutting down Biden from establishing a neoliberal admin that could get horrible stuff done. Biden has talked about how glad he is to get to work with Mitch again. The dems are already willing to compromise with the gop to get what they want passed. So no I refuse to accept this idea of adhering to the dems cause the senate wouldn't pass good things anyways. that just gives all the more reason to fight and make sure we force them to listen to us. It does not matter if we get things passed, the dems would vote them down regardless of Mitch. The goal is to gridlock Biden and actually give terms. If the dems get the senate what will happen? They wont pass M4A, they wont remove our military.

    we.gain.nothing

    At least show the dems what a left can do to them, instead of bowing to them to get rid of trump and then settling in to help them in the senate for whatever they want to try when they already are preparing to do more for Mitch than for Bernie. Nothing is to be gained

    No amount of "well Mitch wouldn't pass M4A so we gotta help Biden in the senate" will ever be worth allowing THIS


    I look forward to being sent to a blacksite or watching as China and the US stand-off with the third world in the middle but while knowing that we might get 10k in relief for student debt. Bernie should be rallying opposition to these confirmations, explicitly and loudly. It cannot be eclectic. Organizing does not require breaking a 2 party hegemony, you just need to fight outside of it. Make demands, threaten to not vote with Biden on anything unless he pulls some of these picks etc. You dont have to worry about trump so then fight the dems. Trump is not in office dammit, your enemy is the people actually in power who choose to stop positive change

    Halt the neoliberal machine while you have the power to do so. If trump is a concern then dont support the people who created him and worse.

    Edit: also Biden just said he considers putting trump voters on his cabinet for unity. No socialists, vows to veto M4A if it was passed, but will put trump voter in his cabinet. "anyone who thinks like him" well Biden seems to not consider trump his enemy then. How about that
     
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  24. DarkGingerJedi

    DarkGingerJedi Force Ghost star 6

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    Haha. Trump just canceled Rudy’s Gettysburg unofficial town meeting where repub legislators were gonna havre a good cry at a hotel ... cuz Rudy was exposed to a positive covid case ... again.
     
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  25. dp4m

    dp4m JCC Playoff Pick 'Em Winner, Also a Narc star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    Serious question: is there anyone Biden would reasonably appoint to his Cabinet to satisfy the PSL?
     
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