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He's going all out in the final hours before the election. This is the final leg of the campaign. Trump's sprinting to the final. But really what choice does he have if he is losing?

 

He can resign, admit to his crimes and face prosecution, and live out the rest of his life in a comfortable jail cell.

 

It's funny but the more he does rallies as the cases go up, the more it hurts him in the polls. They want to see an effective CEO and leader guide us thru this next wave. Instead they got a carnival leader literally. It sounds crazy but him running a campaign like this was most likely the worst mistake they could have made. He should done the Rose Garden Campaign like Nixon in 1972. But that meant actually working so never mind!

 

This is not even remotely a possibility, nor should it be because it is a completely unworkable solution. Kinda ridiculous magical thinking really.

And what does that have to do with communism?

Nevermind about the communism question I get what your putting down.

 

It doesn't really have to do with communism, but as I said, Korea has done something like that. The Germany example probably wasn't the best.

I agree that it's not easy to do, namely because once the separation is made each side would have a very difficult time agreeing on how to structure the new governments (this forum is an example of that!), but the left and the right have fundamental differences that are not getting any easier to reconcile. It's been pointed out to me that compromise is not desirable when the two sides want different things and one is not playing fair anyway. If that's the case, then why stay united at all?

The biggest complications I foresee with this solution is separating the military as well as lingering political disagreements among the people on each side, but I have a feeling that if the United States was to split into a left-wing and a right-wing government, most of the world such as the United Nation powers would support the side that the non-Trumpists were on.
While it’s true that extremely left-wing governments like the Soviet Union are not favored by most countries, it’s also true that the current US is to the right of many of its fellow nations including most of Europe and that Trump had alienated most of our former allies in favor of authoritarian leaders

And I don’t even like the idea of certain United Nations having privileges such as nukes, but that’s another story.

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I think I've said as much, but I don't think people in this country really have unbridgeable differences. The reason our politics are so poisonous is because of a persistent smear campaign by conservatives and the alternate reality bubble they've created for themselves. Without that, people could get along fine and come to a workable compromise. That said however, it might well be too late...the poison of Fox News and other right-wing propaganda has already had too much time to set in and harden in people's minds, so maybe separation is the only option.

 

The pandemic is a settled question. Focusing on Biden being better than Trump on the pandemic in a discussion thread would be like focusing on whether 2+2 = 4. Discussion threads are more generally for unsettled questions and disagreements.

 

Doesn't matter what the situation is, whenever I hear the word communism my first thought is:

 

At least they are paying a few of their debts but only because they are forced to.

 

Well, she's in. All I have to say is

PACK THE COURT

To me this is a fight to extinction. The current conservative way of thinking has to die out. No giving up, no backing down. They have to go away.
As far as social principles go, there is no compromise.

 

They aren't conservatives, they are proto-fascists.

 

Agreed. There's far more at stake here than winning rounds in an arbitrary game of realpolitik.

 

Everyone, you're panicking over nothing. Amy Barrett has indicated at her swearing in ceremony that she will be 'independent' - she won't listen to Congress, or the President, or enact her own private political beliefs. She will only represent the independence and non-partisanship of the Federalist Society 100%, without deviation, with the other two members of the Federalist Society that are on the Supreme Court.
Only a small group of incredibly powerful people with your best interests at heart should have a say in decisions that affect every aspect of your life, where the dirty little hands of voters can't touch them.

 

Packing the court is the only option right now. I know some democrats don’t like it but whatever

 

Yeah, I wouldn’t have liked the packing option, but I don’t care about playing fair anymore. As you guys are saying, no compromise. Not worth it with these people if it ever is with conservatives whose ideology is built around restricting rights.


I don’t buy the independent thing for one second.

 

You shouldn't. There's plenty of conservative politicians that are saying outright how Barrett's going to 'fix things'.

 

We have to accept that at this point it’s likely that Roe v Wade is dead unless both Kennedy and Gorsuch decide against it which I doubt

 

I saw that this morning. Honestly, I don't think we will survive 4 more years of this. And if this isn't a landslide for Biden, then we will likely see Trump steal this election. And short of armed revolt, what other recourse will there be? It'll be the height of irony once Trump is the one coming for the guns.

 

This country will go down the ****ter real fast if trump tries to steal it.

We gotta get out and vote and convince as many to vote as possible

 

They won't flat out repeal it or the ACA. Death by a thousand cuts is more effective.

Plus rich white people will want to get abortions for their daughters if a minority knocks them up.

 

It’s always worth it to work with - and respect the views and opinions of - those whom we disagree with. That’s what Democracy In America is.

 

I'm seeing conservatives comment that its positive for them the record numbers of people voting early. I wonder if its just wishful thinking or something else. Its quite the contrary: the higher the numbers, the more likely it is for them to lose.

 

lf Democrats pack the court, eventually the Republicans will repack the court when they control government again, which will happen, in about 50 years the court will have more justices than the senate has senators. It will be a joke.