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Discussion The Utterly Awful Completely Contemptible Please God Make The Suffering Stop Rumors Thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Future Films - Spoilers Allowed' started by Darth Chiznuk , May 7, 2019.

  1. Lee_

    Lee_ Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I am assuming the idea of Lucas settling controversies means the ultimate Star Wars authority giving the final word on hotly debated subjects like the Chosen One, Midi's, the possibility of force connections like Rey/Kylo in the ST, etc. Hopefully no reasonable person would contend that Lucas giving a "final word" on these things would per se "stop controversies" about them; people on the internet will argue like dogs will chase their bone- it's going to happen no matter what.

    I don't know that it would even be something he should do though given he doesn't own the company- it would seem almost spiteful, unless it was being coordinated or agreed upon by the current company (which isn't going to happen because they want creative control).

    And all wishes aside, it is unlikely he will ever have any kind of a spot in a SW production because of the way he wants ultimate control, and would be unlikely to get it.
    Nonetheless, in a universe of random events and probability based occurrences, far stranger and more unlikely things have happened than Lucas getting a SW production before the end of his life. There are a good portion of the fan base I am sure that would love to see what he would do, and with the quantity of upcoming SW content, it would not have to be forced down the throat of any particular SW fan that didn't want to see it. Therefore, it is very unlikely to happen, but there really would not be any harm in it did; it would make a lot of people happy.
     
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  2. Tython Awakening

    Tython Awakening Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Lastly, George should be engaging in heated canon debates during his retirement as proof that he too is a TRU FAN.
     
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  3. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval TV Screaming Service / FFS! star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    When George sits for his weekly lunch of mall food court Chinese food you just know he is meditating on Star Wars canon.
     
  4. DarthPhilosopher

    DarthPhilosopher Force Ghost star 6

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    He referenced certain ones he enjoyed. He explicitly said that many of them, especially those post ROTJ, were not what he considered to have happened.
     
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  5. Krueger

    Krueger Chosen One star 5

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    He was actually quite explicit when he said the old EU "never happened".
     
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  6. Lee_

    Lee_ Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I think you might have misunderstood- some of these SW fans are really fanatical, he was informing them with that statement that those books are actually fictional.
     
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  7. Lee_

    Lee_ Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I forgot I was going to edit your insight into my last post. I didn't agree at first, but in looking at the situation, you are right. That could help build Lucas back up to maybe doing a production. He is so sullen and negative in many interviews about Disney SW, he clearly is hurting inside, like a man who has lost his only true love.

    Your suggestion here could help build him back up from his downtrodden place, so he might be more willing to engage again. It would be a beautiful place for Lucas to debate from- he could really condescend people, like, "You think you can argue with me about Star Wars! Do you know who I am?"

    George could be back to 1977 disposition and SW favorability very quickly with that kind of self-esteem building.
     
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  8. Tython Awakening

    Tython Awakening Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yes, it would help everyone.

     
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  9. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 7

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    [​IMG]
     
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  10. Lee_

    Lee_ Jedi Grand Master star 4

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  11. Tython Awakening

    Tython Awakening Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Story elements in science fiction sagas can cover such a wide gamut for imaginings of scientific topics. You can have part of the plot driven by fantasy and another part anchored more in science fiction. From the beginning, Star Wars has offered some deep imaginings of some rather "alien" storage devices. I'm talking about things like the storage of digital media on hardware devices. George had that a plot device from the very beginning. In watching Episode IV, we see the SW saga itself manifest around the stolen plans for the Death Star I. Topics like time capsules, digital storage, droids, encryption, and transmission were front and center in ANH.

    My view is that George had a heck of a lot to say and imagine on these topics. George set the stage in the Prequel films to say more. Sadly, he gave into the temptation of selling. He could have retired while keeping Lucasfilm private. And maybe then we would have seen him deliver another trilogy of SW films. It's still not too late for him to come back. Therefore, it's worth imagining what George could do if he *did return to write and produce three more SW films.

    [​IMG]
     
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  12. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel Socially And Emotionally Distant Mod Of New Films star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    How this would actually play out.

    LANGUAGE WARNING!!! NOT FOR THE DELICATE!

     
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  13. Krueger

    Krueger Chosen One star 5

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    I was referring to the interview he gave where he stated the old EU is not what he would have done. I don't believe he was talking about its "realness". That's silly. Everyone knows its real.
     
  14. bstnsx704

    bstnsx704 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    One need look no further than The Clone Wars to really grasp George's stance on the EU - if something looked cool he'd probably pluck it out of a book or comic or game to use, but always in his own way, regardless of whether his way meshed with the EU or not. That's one of the big reasons I never really bothered all that much with the EU; Star Wars and George Lucas were always synonymous to me, and while he was running the ship it was really just his vision that I wanted to see and experience.

    Killing the EU as soon as they bought the company is probably the single most respectful of George thing that Disney has done in their tenure with Star Wars, to be completely honest. ;)
     
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  15. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel Socially And Emotionally Distant Mod Of New Films star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Well, respect for George had nothing to do with their decision. They just didn't want to be hemmed in by those stories. And their own stories are no more George's vision than the EU was. Just a different canon that also isn't from George.

    And the EU was in no way disrespectful to George. He allowed it's existence, and was even influenced by it a bit. It allowed LFL to continue to profit from SW, which was good for the company. It gave insatiable fans more content to enjoy. It allowed writers who loved SW to play in the "sandbox". And it kept the torch burning during the slow years.
     
  16. bstnsx704

    bstnsx704 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yeah, I was definitely being a bit tongue in cheek there with the "respect" bit, hence the ";)" there.

    I will say though, that this conversation does bring up the biggest diverging point in how I approach Lucas-era Star Wars vs how I approach Disney-era Star Wars. While under Lucas, it was pretty much his vision and his vision alone that I was interested in. With modern Lucasfilm, however, I am much less interested in the current crop of filmmakers staying strictly in his sandbox, and prefer approaching each new film/show from a different angle to see how each individual filmmaker interprets Lucas' work while (hopefully) putting their own stamp on it. I don't want to to simply see Lucas' style 'recreated' by others these days.
     
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  17. Lee_

    Lee_ Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    This is exactly what DIsney is doing also though, right?
     
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  18. bstnsx704

    bstnsx704 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yep! Especially in Rebels and The Mandalorian thus far.
     
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  19. Lee_

    Lee_ Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    It should be interesting to see where they take it with Thrawn and all. The EU really did add contribute to SW canon given Lucas and Disney both plucked from it, even if they did it on their own terms.
     
  20. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 6

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    Kennedy is treating the EU exactly as Lucas did.
     
  21. Fredrik Vallestrand

    Fredrik Vallestrand Jedi Grand Master star 5

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  22. Jedi Knight Fett

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    Lucas’s ST would have been just as controversial as the Disney ST. I think no matter what after the excitement of Episode 7 it was gonna be controversial
     
  23. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval TV Screaming Service / FFS! star 9 Staff Member Manager

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  24. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel Socially And Emotionally Distant Mod Of New Films star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Yeah, It's easy to say "George would have done it right!", but George's brushes with controversy in his most recent outings were likely the main factor in why they didn't follow his outline for the ST in the first place. Now they've learned how hard it is to please a fan base as large as SW has.

    Only now, at the end, do they understand. :)
     
  25. Tython Awakening

    Tython Awakening Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    As far as I'm concerned, Lucas could be a 90+ year-old man confined to a bed and still write SW stories that could become films.
     
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