Discussion The Utterly Awful Completely Contemptible Please God Make The Suffering Stop Rumors Thread

I see this thread is living up to its name

 

Thanks a lot, families.

 

Terrible thing to say- it's obvious he was just playing guitar.

 

It's obvious he was just... itchy.

 

I feel like Disney ST canon is "1B" to G-canon which is 1A. If Lucas said tomorrow that "no, Palpatine never had children or grandchildren", to me that's the authoritative truth and ROTS is a what-if.

• G-canon was George Lucas Canon; the six Episodes and any statements by George Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public). Elements originating with Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources were also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources was C-canon. When the films were changed, the newest editions were deemed to take canonical precedence over older ones, as they corrected mistakes, improved consistency between the two trilogies, and expressed Lucas's current vision of the Star Wars universe most closely. The deleted scenes included on the DVDs were also considered G-canon (when they didn't conflict with the movie).[16]

• T-canon,[17] or Television Canon,[18] referred to the canon level comprising the feature film Star Wars: The Clone Wars and the television show Star Wars: The Clone Wars. (It would have also included the ultimately unproduced Star Wars live-action TV series.)[19][20] It was devised more recently in order to define a status above the C-Level canon, as confirmed by Chee.[21]

• C-canon was Continuity Canon, consisting of all recent works (and many older works) released under the name of Star Wars: books, comics, games, cartoons, non-theatrical films, and more. Games were a special case, as generally only the stories were C-canon, while things like stats and gameplay may not have been;[22] they also offered non-canonical options to the player, such as choosing female gender for a canonically male character. C-canon elements have appeared in the movies, making them G-canon; examples include the name "Coruscant," swoop bikes, Quinlan Vos, Aayla Secura, YT-2400 freighters and Action VI transports.

• S-canon was Secondary Canon; the materials were available to be used or ignored as needed by authors. This included mostly older works, such as much of the original Marvel Star Wars comics, that predated a consistent effort to maintain continuity; it also contained certain elements of a few otherwise N-canon stories, and other things that "may not fit just right." Many formerly S-canon elements were elevated to C-canon through their inclusion in more recent works by continuity-minded authors, while many other older works (such as The Han Solo Adventures) were accounted for in continuity from the start despite their age, and thus were always C-canon.

• D was Detours Canon, used for material hailing from Star Wars Detours.[23]

• N was Non-Canon. What-if stories (such as stories published under the Infinities label) and anything else directly and irreconcilably contradicted by higher canon ended up here. N was the only level that was not considered canon by Lucasfilm. Information cut from canon, deleted scenes, or canceled Star Wars works fell into this category as well, unless another canonical work referenced it and it was declared canon.

 

I've personally don't care what George has to say on any of it...He made Star Wars but at the end of the day, Star Wars is way more than George Lucas.

 

The hierarchy of canon with these different tiers existed without needing to label the tiers. This was just a scheme to explain how Lucasfilm operated internally. It did clarify certain questions that could come up, like "What is the status of the old Marvel comics?"

I would like Lucas to step in and show us his microbiotic worlds that house his inner secrets of the force.

Detours Canon, that sounds interesting.

It's also interesting that these canon tier levels grew and changed over time.

*I still apply a hierarchy to everything.

 

I meant TROS, not ROTS.

 

Star Wars may now be more than George Lucas, but I think Star Wars is less without him... or at least without his story/conceptual ideas to base film on.

 

I'm so glad that tiered canon BS is no more.

 

I never even tried to understand canon tiers. If I like something, it's in my canon, if I don't it's out. Why make a big complicated deal out of it?

 

Canon is canon whether it's liked or not.

 

#notmycanon

 

It's all canon.

 

Maybe not ALL, but it's true that way too many pop songs do use Pachelbel's chord progression. (Oh wait, wrong canon... never mind.)

 

In the future, historians and critical theorists will not accept all as canon because Disney/Lucasfilm said so. They will differentiate between Lucas’s vision and SW apocrypha. They will study the development of the OT and PT and the ST and eventually make some conclusions between Lucas’s original treatments and the Bad Robot, Lucasfilm, Disney era of the Saw Saga.

Disney really should prepare another version of the ST: The Lucas Treatments. Why not? It’s gold, Jerry. Gold!


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To me, the Ewok films are canon. So, you know.

 

This part I agree with. I'm waiting for a Lucas treatment for Episode 15. yeah.

Not only that but they could expand on the idea of human colonists in the films.

 

That presumes future historians choose to treat this like Tolkien

 

Future historians will hopefully just pretend it didn’t exist

 

Ewok films have stronger canon ties then Kylo Ren.

caravan FTW

 

I'm predicting there will be nostalgia for the Sequel Trilogy. Maybe it will take 6-7 years post-Covid. SW films tend to throw many things at you and then the dust settles. Then people revisit some part of the films, fiction piece, or action figure and relive the adventure. The Ewok films, the same, were bombad when they hit network television.

 

Not sure on that one. There's something very thin/ insubstantial about the ST that's difficult to explain. It's the JJ effect. Just as I don't think there will be a lot of nostalgia for JJ's Trek-verse, I think the same might be the case for the ST. Generally speaking, of course. I'm sure there will be a contingent of fans who end up feeling very nostalgic about it, and that's OK.

 

I think you underestimate Force Awakens and that entire era of Star Wars....So I highly disagree with your assessment.