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Discussion in 'Star Wars: Future Films - Spoilers Allowed' started by Darth Chiznuk , May 7, 2019.

  1. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 10

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    Thank you. Thank you very much. :han:
     
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  2. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    Gareth has potential? He directed one of the best sci-fi/ fantasy films of the century. I think he’s arrived.
     
  3. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Expert At Modding Casual star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I like Gareth a lot. I've LOVED all 3 of his films. But, it's clear he needed help with both of his big budget studio films. Especially Rogue One. Both films turned out great, and that's in large part due to him, but he's not ready to fully handle the reins of blockbuster filmmaking on his own yet. As has been demonstrated. He can knock an indie film out of the park, the way he did with "Monsters". And, he can deliver a fantastic big budget blockbuster, with help. The Force is with young Gareth, but he is not a Jedi yet.

    I think Ridley states it best, here.
    "I know what I’m doing. [Laughs.] I think they like to be in control, and I like to be in control myself. When you get a guy who’s done a low-budget movie and you suddenly give him $180 million, it makes no sense whatsoever. It’s ****in’ stupid. You know what the reshoots cost?

    Millions! Millions. You can get me for my fee, which is heavy, but I’ll be under budget and on time. This is where experience does matter, it’s as simple as that! It can make you dull as dishwater, but if you’re really experienced and you know what you’re doing, it’s ****ing essential. Grow into it, little by little. Start low-budget, get a little bit bigger, maybe after $20 million, you can go to $80. But don’t suddenly go to $160."
     
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  4. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    Yes, but the risk you take with an inexperienced big budget him director, even if it costs a little more, can lead to gems like Rogue One. And despite not being a fan of Peter Jackson’s style, New Line’s bet on him for LOTR (a very indie director at that point with only one medium-sized film under his belt) paid off...

    Also, when does “experience” with big budget films start? At some point, a director will have to direct their first big budget film. By Scott’s standard, nobody new will ever get to direct a big budget film because they never have...
     
  5. Krueger

    Krueger Chosen One star 5

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    I would rather SW films made by people with voices of their own, rather than "point and shoot" directors. For me, that's why Solo is the weakest of the new films so far.
     
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  6. ewoksimon

    ewoksimon Chosen One star 5

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    The leap from independent films to studio tentpoles used to be filled by greener directors taking on mid-budget studio films, but those have almost entirely disappeared. TV series have filled that gap a bit, but they're largely dictated more by writers and showrunners than directors. Directing an episode or two of TV (even on a larger scale) still isn't quite the same comparison as a commitment to a studio film.

    Lucasfilm is starting to fill that void a bit though. While most directors on TV tend to be involved for just a couple weeks, almost every director on The Mandalorian was involved for several months. And now we've seen a couple of those directors transition to larger scale efforts. Deborah Chow is directing all of Kenobi, Rick Famuyiwa is directing Children of Blood and Bone, and presumably Dave Filoni is largely handling Ahsoka by himself.

    Building bridges like these is possible path forward for future directors, while films in the near future are being handled by directors who have already helmed large scale features elsewhere (Jenkins and Waititi).
     
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  7. Jid123Sheeve

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    Will not be surprised if sooner rather then later Deborah Chow is helming a movie of her own within Star Wars one day.
     
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  8. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Expert At Modding Casual star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Uh, that's not even close to what he was saying. He's talking about a gradual increase of experience and budget, rather than a leap from a $10 million first film to a $150 million second film.
    It's not an "either/or" situation. At least not as far as experience goes.
    Well, we'll have to agree to disagree about that.
     
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  9. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    She deserves it. But honestly, I think these days, helming a high-quality TV series is probably a more prestigious accomplishment.
    Yes, but I disagree with that standard. And there are many example of where such a risk taken led to unique cinematic achievements. Lord of the Rings and Rogue One being just a few examples.
     
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  10. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Expert At Modding Casual star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    You shouldn't. Experience doesn't preclude unique cinematic achievements.
    There are exceptions to most rules. Lord Of The Rings was unique in many ways, although Jackson had made 5 films before it, so he had a bit more experience, though not with big budgets.

    Rogue One actually proves my point. Gareth couldn't finish it on his own, so a more experienced filmmaker had to be brought in for an overhaul. Gareth's contributions are stellar, and his talent is on full display, but he needed help because of his lack of experience at that level of filmmaking. The film turned out great, and showed his potential, but he won't have fully arrived until he can complete a film like that on his own.
     
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  11. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    By the way Jordan Mason or however you spell his last name says that Lucasfilm is working on more animated movies.
     
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  12. ladygrey45

    ladygrey45 Jedi Master star 4

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    I hope we get more info about the live action films those are my favorite part of the Star Wars universe.
     
  13. Darth PJ

    Darth PJ Force Ghost star 6

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    That's basically the rub of it. Handing leviathan budgets to relatively inexperienced filmmakers can always be problematic. I think it also risks closing down the opportunities to make smaller films for those filmmakers..
     
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  14. ladygrey45

    ladygrey45 Jedi Master star 4

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    When do we think we’ll hear more about there future slate of live action films?
     
  15. The Regular Mustache

    The Regular Mustache Force Ghost star 6

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    In the future.
     
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  16. EHT

    EHT Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    That's my prediction too.
     
  17. starfish

    starfish Chosen One star 5

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    maybe tomorrow
     
  18. ladygrey45

    ladygrey45 Jedi Master star 4

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    Why tomorrow?
     
  19. PymParticles

    PymParticles Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Why not tomorrow? If it isn't tomorrow, there's always the next day. And if not then, the day after that.
     
  20. EHT

    EHT Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Or sometime in August.
     
  21. starfish

    starfish Chosen One star 5

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    I was mostly just being an arse there

    I have no actual idea

    but yeah, maybe tomorrow lol

    or yeah sometime in August, it’s usually so hot that time of year I never want to go outside, so all the more reason to have new Star Wars news to read about
     
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  22. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Expert At Modding Casual star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I'm so glad that so many on the forum are carrying on the legacy of teasing Chiznuk. I can't be on all the time.
     
  23. Darth Chiznuk

    Darth Chiznuk Superninja of Future Films star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    God I hate you all so much.
     
  24. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Expert At Modding Casual star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    [face_laugh] [:D]
     
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  25. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 10

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    After all, tomorrow is another day.
     
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