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Discussion The Utterly Awful Completely Contemptible Please God Make The Suffering Stop Rumors Thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Future Films - Spoilers Allowed' started by Darth Chiznuk , May 7, 2019.

  1. DarthRosie

    DarthRosie Jedi Knight star 2

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    Not much cooking in here on this new rumor, I thought this would get this thread hopping. Not only a new KoToR rumor but verified by 3 different sources before buzzfeed went with it, but also seems to be unrelated to D&D and RJ trilogies.
     
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  2. PymParticles

    PymParticles Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    So, here are my thoughts: first, yes, the fact that Buzzfeed is reporting three independent sources is encouraging. I don’t necessarily trust them without a probable track record, and there’s still many ways this could end up being completely false.

    But all skepticism aside, let’s assume it’s true, or at least part of it is. The article says it’s separate from the RJ and B&W films. Presuming that’s accurate, and that those films are still separate entities, Kalogridis is said in the report to have been hired spring 2018. That’d place it before the slate rethinking and reshuffling that ensued as a result of Solo’s underperformance, so maybe at the time there were plans for three separate trilogies. There’s no way that’s still true, it doesn’t line up at all with what we’ve been hearing from Kennedy and Iger the last few months, nor does it correspond with the slate of three films from 2022-2026 that we currently have.

    If I have to guess what the reality of the situation is, presuming this is true: B&W were hired early 2018. This states Kalogridis was hired spring 2018. Could be she was hired to take a first pass at the screenplay for B&W’s first film while they finished Game of Thrones, based off their outline and story ideas, and they’ll tweak the screenplay as need be for their purposes. As showrunners, they’d be more than used to working with various screenwriting collaborators to actualize their vision, it’s not like they wrote every episode of GoT themselves. It feels plausible, at least to me, and at least in theory.
     
  3. ComfortablyNunb

    ComfortablyNunb Jedi Knight star 2

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    Although I'd personally love to see a trilogy about the formation of the Jedi order and the schism that led to the Sith, I know that such "core lore" is very risky territory to mess with. By contrast, Benioff & Weiss adapting KOTOR with collaborators like Laeta Kalogridis is a much safer play.

    In the end, all I care about is getting a good movie -- whether or not it's the specific project I would greenlight.
     
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  4. FiveFireRings

    FiveFireRings Jedi Master star 4

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    I usually don't make predictions or proclamations because I don't have any horses in any of the races, but I feel really confident that these either ARE the B&W films, or they will never exist... either because they were commissioned and canceled post-SOLO, or the story itself is bunk.
     
  5. Aximili86

    Aximili86 Jedi Master star 4

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    I mean, Buzzfeed.

    It might be true, but it's not like Buzzfeed has anything in the way of credibility, on anything. Wait for Variety and stuff.
     
  6. darthcaedus1138

    darthcaedus1138 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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  7. Bilbo Fett

    Bilbo Fett Force Ghost star 5

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    I will say this is an interesting development (if it ends up being even that).

    It immediately begs the question "is this for the B&W movies"? The writer of that article has said it isn't. A lot of people immediately ran on the assumption that their movies would be set in the Old Republic era. Perhaps they're not. Particularly if Lucasfilm is having them powwow with Rian Johnson. If their movies were set in a completely different era than his, how necessary would such coordination be?
     
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  8. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 6

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    BuzzFeed News is a very legitimate and credible news source. Some of their reporters have made mistakes, of course, but that’s common across all legitimate news sources.
     
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  9. Blackhole E Snoke

    Blackhole E Snoke Jedi Master star 5

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    Me: Excited by this rumour because of Laeta Kalogridis' previous work on Shutter Island, Altered Carbon, and Alita: Battle Angel. And because I love KotOR and would want it adapted well.

    Buzzfeed's Kate Aurthur : Excited by this because Laeta Kalogridis is a woman. :rolleyes:
     
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  10. Aximili86

    Aximili86 Jedi Master star 4

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    *Stifles a giggle*

    Yeah, Fox & MSNBC are too.

    Loved Shutter Island & Alita personally, but wait for the tried-and-true trades. Buzzfeed's basically the National Enquirer.
     
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  11. rocknroll41

    rocknroll41 Jedi Master star 3

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    If this supposed KotOR trilogy does pan out, I’m hoping for one of the following:

    1. A trilogy that somehow manages to combine the characters and storylines from KotOR 1 and 2 (this could also include stuff from the Revan novel and the Revan expansion of TOR, if need be).

    2. A TOR trilogy with fresh characters that starts off with thousands of Jedi and Sith at war with one another and then at some point introduces Darth Bane, who then reduces the Sith down to just The Rule of Two by the end of the trilogy.

    3. A TotJ trilogy that reinvents the Sith as mysterious creatures rather than simply “dark jedi with a different name.” Maybe even have Nagga Sadow as the main villain, idk.

    4. A trilogy that reveals the origins of the very first Jedi, Sith, lightsabers, etc. (but don’t make it anything like the DotJ comics, as I was not a fan of that series).
     
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  12. El_Machete12

    El_Machete12 Jedi Master star 2

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    I have a gut feeling this is either the same as the D&D trilogy, or another Disney+ series. If they are straight up adapting the KOTOR duology, then I think that lends itself better to television and plus it creates the unique opportunity to continue the storyline past KOTOR2, a story we never got to see in a potential KOTOR3.
     
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  13. Darkslayer

    Darkslayer Force Ghost star 7

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    Someone call LucasFilm so they can put all 4 of these ideas into production immediately.
     
  14. rocknroll41

    rocknroll41 Jedi Master star 3

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    Thanks for the positive feedback there!

    Quick additional note: If Bane really does show up in one of these things, I think he should have his Vader-like look from TCW.
     
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  15. ComfortablyNunb

    ComfortablyNunb Jedi Knight star 2

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    More evidence that this scoop is legit (whether or not KOTOR is actually going to happen). The date of this tweet is around the reported time Kalogridis was supposedly hired.

    Kunka is an up-and-coming screenwriter who's sold a bunch of big projects and been on the annual Blacklist etc. Although he doesn't have a produced credit yet, he would be well-connected and know these things.
     
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  16. obi_kenobi_24

    obi_kenobi_24 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    if they were really going to jump in and use the Kotor games story....I would absolutely love a Clone Wars Sized animated show about Revan and Malek fighting in the Mando Wars somewhere down the line. [face_praying]
     
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  17. Tython Awakening

    Tython Awakening Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The SW Expanded Universe will provide the roadmap if we get a Kotor trilogy. Seriously.
     
  18. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 6

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    Your information is seriously outdated. Buzzfeed News is considered a legitimate news source by journalists and has a number of respected and experienced journalists on staff. It’s not just the pop culture clickbait website it once was. Things have changed over there these past few years.
     
  19. GregMcP

    GregMcP Force Ghost star 5

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    Of course they can film the video games or the Darth Bane books. They don't do remakes.

    I will suggest that the don't touch Bane or Revan. They are too delicate to fans.

    New characters... either a secret "They are always two" Darth, or go with all out Sith Empire, but set in a time not so much written about.
     
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  20. Obironsolo

    Obironsolo Force Ghost star 4

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    As someone who has read the books and played the game, I would hate to think Lucasfilm would stay away from Bane or Revan because they were afraid of disaproving fans. That would be a real indication of cowardice and lack of confidence in their own abilties. If they can't figure out a way to make a good Old Republic movie with all the characters fans expect to see, then they need to quit and bring in some people who can. When they do make a film that disappoints fans, they need to figure out what they did wrong, as opposed to denying it or blaming it on other factors. I mean, for God's sake, what's the point in buying the SW franchise if you're afraid to try and put it on screen?
     
  21. Tython Awakening

    Tython Awakening Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The comics and novels we have from the Old Republic Era suggest there are many gaps to fill in with new films without duplicating stories already in print. There will always be some discrepancies, just as there have been with the older films.
     
  22. GregMcP

    GregMcP Force Ghost star 5

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    I think the problem is more the open hostility "fans" can exhibit.
     
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  23. DarthPhilosopher

    DarthPhilosopher Force Ghost star 6

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    Fans: Don't disappoint us, or else.

    Fans: Use Legends characters that we love, or else.

    In other words, paint by numbers and do exact as we say, or else.
     
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  24. DarthFixxxer

    DarthFixxxer Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    It really should not be that difficult to read the KOTOR novels, play the games, and then start planning a trilogy that is respectful to the source material. And if it is difficult, well that's life. Star Wars fans should have high expectations if Disney is going to dive into this territory. If they don't want to explore the KOTOR timeframe at all, that's fine. But if they do, they should make it RIGHT.

    I don't think people should expect a perfect and flawless trilogy, and it is impossible to please every single fan, but also it shouldn't be impossible to please the majority. All it requires is good planning, hiring of people who understand the Star Wars universe, and devoted crews that will make the films consistent with the novels, the games, and what other Star Wars fans expect to see.
     
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  25. DarthPhilosopher

    DarthPhilosopher Force Ghost star 6

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    Except something that is "respectful" is highly subjective. There's also the fact that, as great and as fun as some Legends stuff is, it's not exactly up to the standard/type of narrative where it can almost be adapted verbatim, meaning a fair bit of alternations will be needed for the big screen. Every time something is adapted, I'd imagine, the creatives believe they are being respectful. Their balance should be between being respectful and doing what is required to tell a good on-screen narrative. That is a balance that is always going to be tricky. What you don't want to do is for the creative to be so conservative that it doesn't work on screen and follows the source material too closely.

    In short, it's easier said than done.
     
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