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Discussion in 'Star Wars: Future Films - Spoilers Allowed' started by Darth Chiznuk , May 7, 2019.

  1. Fredrik Vallestrand

    Fredrik Vallestrand Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    So in the few last weeks i have been busy with Game of thrones and not really thinking of Star wars at the momment as we not really had any new news other then vanity fair. So when this came out i was intrested of what it means. I think then main hero will either be a new character or a fan favorite like Revan, but we might not know he's revan until he turns to the dark side. The sith characters probaly have favorites like Malak. think this well be the game adaptation so no Bane,Malgus or other legends favorites from anything other then the Kotor game. I think they might not have made Revan canon until this as the time period and all, Like with Thrawn in Rebels it makes sense and so it will be with Revan and Malak. I think this might be the beginning of a Old Republic series, a Kotor trilogy, beginning of Jedi vs Sith trilogy and Bane Trilogy. Just my toughts on it all. And just like pointing out Bane will be Samurai like in TWC and not this mr armstrong character that he's depicted in the novels. And no doubt disney+ will be making old republic tv shows that centers around politics of the republic and Mand vs jedi.
     
  2. Bilbo Fett

    Bilbo Fett Force Ghost star 5

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    Everyone is pretty much assuming Kalogridis is working on a screenplay and/or script for a live action movie. What if it's a story treatment for an animated movie(s)? With Filoni in the process of transitioning to live action with The Mandalorian series maybe they're letting someone new try their hand in the animation arena, at least on the writing front.
     
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  3. IlhamKamaruddin

    IlhamKamaruddin Jedi Knight star 2

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    I would love to see an animated film trilogy for Star Wars but it depends on the animation style that can support the scale of the story and the era that fans want to see coming off from the days of the Old Republic.

    In my opinion, if we want to explore more stories about The Knights of the Old Republic, it would fit in more to become a high budget & production value ( no Starbucks cups pls LOL ) TV series on Disney+ and it can go on for a few seasons.
     
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  4. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 6

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    Nah. Keep animation to a show or two. Focus almost all of the money on as much live action as possible.
     
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  5. Fredrik Vallestrand

    Fredrik Vallestrand Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    If we do get shows around the Kotor trilogy let it focus on in between like CW ad Rebels did expand on the minor characters and we get these legacy characters here there. Revan and this mando-jedi could appear.
     
  6. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Shelf of Shame Host star 9 VIP - Game Host

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    Oooh a new rumor thread? I heard a rumor this thread will drive the mods up the wall soonly >: D
     
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  7. DarthFixxxer

    DarthFixxxer Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Keeping consistency with how a story in a novel presents characters and events is not that subjective. But what you declared as "fact" is indeed not a fact, and that's actually very subjective. I know you are not a Legends fan for the most part, but that doesn't make it objectively or factually impossible to convert into a quality movie or show. It just needs good planning and people who care about the story. I disagree that the balance between being respectful and telling a good story should be hard for professionals that are supposed to be the top in their field. Besides, the good EU Legends novels are very cinematic. If one were to adapt the Darth Bane trilogy into movies for example, they would not need to change a single thing, when it comes to the main storyline. That could easily be a great set of films, and loyal to the source material. And that's just one example.
     
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  8. starfish

    starfish Chosen One star 5

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    I tend to agree, but then the into the spider verse film was so amazing. I would be all for a animation film like that one for Star Wars.
     
  9. Bilbo Fett

    Bilbo Fett Force Ghost star 5

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    Starbucks cups and water bottles showing up in a shot isn't a reflection of production value. It's a script supervisor dropping the ball.
     
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  10. DarthPhilosopher

    DarthPhilosopher Force Ghost star 6

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    What are you basing this on? I actually really like some Legends stuff. But I know that they'd need some upgrading either in the quality or the narrative type. I never said that it's 'objectively or factually impossible' to adapt to a movie or show so I'm not sure why you suggest I did say that.

    You say this like it's the easiest thing in the world to get right, as if adaption isn't recognised as needing a very specific skill set and that it's just a question of effort. As if novels and video games don't have very different ways of telling a story that would require a skilled hand to adapt, the crafting of which is often controversial amongst those who love the source material. If what you said was true there would be no adaption of a popular story onto the screen that wasn't a great piece of storytelling, lest if it wasn't it was just a failure to put in the effort. There are many adaptions where the creatives put their heart and soul into which weren't good films because they were too liberal or too conservative with the source material.
     
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  11. Generational Fan

    Generational Fan Jedi Master star 4

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    Awwww.....we will get to see little bubby Yoda with those cute little green chubby cheeks.

    And calling it now, in 2 years time, LFL will anounce its specialist Star Wars consultant for the story - Mike Zeroh.
     
  12. DarthFixxxer

    DarthFixxxer Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    A good story is a good story. If Filoni can create good stories AND adapt characters and storylines with great results, then others should be able to. Dave Filoni is only one example of people who GET IT. He actually placed Thrawn into a timeline other than his original appearance in the Legends EU, and the majority of old Admiral Thrawn fans were not only satisfied, but delighted with the result.

    This vague idea that this and that is too hard and requires a lot of effort doesn't promote the conversation. Yes, it is hard. That's why there should be a great deal of planning and effort when it comes to creating Star Wars movies based on already existing source material. Rogue One presented freaking Darth Vader, the holiest of holy grails in the SW universe, and again, the majority of fans applauded his scenes. You can't always please everyone. But if one proclaims "artistic freedom" to completely crap on existing characters, themes and concepts, that's for me not just lack of planning, but completely disrespectful on top of that.

    You make arguments (that I wholeheartedly disagree with) but you don't give examples. Which creatives put their heart and soul into adaptations that did not turn into good movies? Are we talking about Uwe Boll and movies like Alone In The Dark? Cause for every B movie of that type, there will always be Jurassic Park, Lord Of The Rings, Westworld, and hundreds of other examples of adapted material which I would personally say has the soul and heart of the makers.

    All I know is that if I were given the task to adapt a KOTOR or a TOR storyline into a movie, I would be VERY loyal to the source material, because I'm a fan first and foremost, and then I would worry about how much money my movie would make or whether I can mess around with the story to give a plot twist that no one expects. Hell, if I made KOTOR, I would totally present the same story as in the video games with minor tweaks. Or... They could just not touch any existing storylines and characters. If they do, yes, I DEMAND a respectful approach as a fan. I don't know why I shouldn't. And I expect a great result in quality. This is Star Wars we are talking about.
     
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  13. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 6

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    @DarthFixxxer

    Art is sometimes disrespectful, or irreverent. I’d rather have a little bit of that, even at the risk of disliking some LFL output, than an overly “respectful of the fans” committee-driven approach. Yeah, I’m not a huge fan of TLJ. I don’t watch it anymore, unlike all other SW films. But I’ll take it over the march of mediocrity we see from other franchises. Indeed, I thought TLJ was too safe, and not sufficiently RJ enough - my main issue with it. Felt like a film that just couldn’t quite...commit to being something different. And so it feels like a mushy middle to me.

    I hope Kathleen gets bolder with her future choices, not more timid. And she should certainly ignore the loud howling from a minority of fans. Giving in to that would be the death of creativity in Star Wars.
     
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  14. DarthPhilosopher

    DarthPhilosopher Force Ghost star 6

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    You seem to think that the process of creating a film or television series is scientific, where effort and respect for the source material with almost invariably create a good result. That seems to show a misunderstanding of the adapting process. You're presenting successful examples of adapted material, as if that proves that it's something that can be achieved through a formula or something. Do you really think that those who created the controversial Harry Potter films, the Hobbit films, Ender's Game, Snyder's Watchmen or Luhrmann's The Great Gatsby didn't think they were being respectful to the source material or just didn't put in the effort? I'm not saying that someone shouldn't demand respect (again, I didn't say that), but that demanding that it be your particular concept of 'respect' or else (we know how fans can react) is an approach that could lead to a 'paint by numbers' approach, or those characters/stories not being utilised. Sometimes being faithful to the source material and producing a good film may clash, and you have to be prepared that they may change things that you don't like for that latter (which may actually be someone else's idea of respectful). Fans wanting there favourite Legends stories to be adapted, but also having the tacit threat of how they'll react if it doesn't fit within their idea of 'respectful', is either a formula for LFL avoiding adapting that material or an approach to adapting that may not produce a very good film.
     
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  15. Krueger

    Krueger Chosen One star 5

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    I think Alan Moore would love this thread.
     
  16. Bilbo Fett

    Bilbo Fett Force Ghost star 5

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    And absolutely hate the movie based on it's ruminations.
     
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  17. FiveFireRings

    FiveFireRings Jedi Master star 4

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    There's never going to be a big budget for-the-GA SW project based closely, or even in broad terms of story structure and character beats, on a pre-existing EU work, for precisely the same reason that nobody ever publishes the screenplay to the general public before it goes into production.

    Of course someone's going to say Potter, Narnia, LOTR, GoT etc. Those all started as wildly popular literary properties... that's fundamentally different from taking a franchise well known for each film being a complete surprise, and saying, the next one is just a really expensive version of something you can read or play in your spare time... hell, you might have already done so and sold your copy on eBay.

    It can't be proven either way, but the idea that SOLO would have been a better-received movie on any way if it had attempted to adapt the Daley and Crispin novels strikes me as bonkers. If the GA wasn't interested in the first place, there's no way a bunch more convoluted lore would have made word of mouth a whole lot better.
     
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  18. Blackhole E Snoke

    Blackhole E Snoke Jedi Master star 5

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    Yes, of course. It was a huge surprise when we saw Anakin become Darth Vader, and the creation of the Empire in epIII. Nobody would have gone to see the movie if they already knew that was going to happen, and nobody ever watches a Star Wars movie more than once. [face_liarliar]:rolleyes:


    If Disneyfilm made Heir to the Empire: A Star Wars Legend, it would be huge. Fans would want to see that. They would create hype and the general public would hear this and follow.
     
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  19. Knight of Jedi Ren Sith

    Knight of Jedi Ren Sith Jedi Knight star 3

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    Is this official news yet or just Collider assuming it is?



    If Kalogridis is official now, we should have a thread on her project.
     
  20. Darth Buzz

    Darth Buzz Jedi Master star 4

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    They are just going off the Buzzfeed report.
     
  21. 2Cleva

    2Cleva Chosen One star 5

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    There was a thread about the Kenobi film and that didn't have much to it.
     
  22. Tython Awakening

    Tython Awakening Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    My SW work may be done: Marvel's original SW came back this week with Ish #108. Then there might be a KOTOR film.
     
  23. PymParticles

    PymParticles Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The Kenobi film had Stephen Daldry attached to direct as per every one of the Hollywood trades (Deadline, The Hollywood Reporter, Variety) which are reliable considering their information comes directly from the studios and agents; studios frequently use them as mouthpieces in lieu of issuing press releases. The Hollywood trades were the only ones not reporting on this story. I can't speak for the other mods, but for me, I'd rather not clutter the boards with distinct threads for every film project rumored or reported on without enough credible evidence to support its existence.
     
  24. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 6

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    It did though. That film was all but confirmed to be happening, with Daldry directing, until after the Solo BO disappointment led to a full on Lucasfilm rethink.
     
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  25. DarthPhilosopher

    DarthPhilosopher Force Ghost star 6

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    Not to mention there are still pretty solid rumours it’s being reworked for Disney+.
     
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