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PT The Yoda/Dooku fight was originally a lot different

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Havok176, Dec 21, 2019.

  1. The_Phantom_Calamari

    The_Phantom_Calamari Force Ghost star 5

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    Strange, because I feel like Lucas intentionally didn't put as much focus on Yoda's lightsaber prowess in the Sidious duel for precisely this reason. He gave us a good little reprise of what we saw in Attack of the Clones so we wouldn't feel cheated, but he pulls back the perspective on it so the emphasis is more on the larger spectacle of these two titans of the Force dueling in the middle of the Senate chamber as the podium rises from the floor. He then dispenses with both of their lightsabers so they can fight more directly with their Force powers. He knew we were no longer seeing Yoda use a lightsaber for the first time, so he couldn't just rely on that to maintain interest. He didn't try to do the exact same thing.
     
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  2. lord_sidious_

    lord_sidious_ Jedi Knight star 2

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    Just a comment to my previous comment. You can see why Siddy was unsatisfied with Dooku as his apprentice.
     
  3. StampidHD280pro

    StampidHD280pro Jedi Master star 4

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    The reaction to anything in Star Wars since 1997. The audience clapped and cheered in theaters, and then said it was stupid online and with their friends so they could make themselves seem cool.
     
  4. ezekiel22x

    ezekiel22x Force Ghost star 5

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    Exact same experience for me. The reaction to Yoda with a saber in Clones was insane in theaters. I’ve seen other moments in other movies get reactions, but nothing like that.
     
  5. -NaTaLie-

    -NaTaLie- Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I know people who hated Attack of the Clones yet found the Yoda duel to be a highlight.
     
  6. Panakas_Dawg

    Panakas_Dawg Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    My theater broke out in gasps and shout of "yes!" when you heard Yoda's stick tap-tapping on the ground. I think the uproarious applause and cheering started with the light saber flying into his hand from his belt and never let up until the end of their fight. Just a great moment.

    Don't even mention the Yoda/Sidious duel. Again, at every step of their confrontation, people cheered each and every trash-talking one-liner. When the fight proper started, again it was all cheers.
     
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  7. Darkslayer

    Darkslayer Force Ghost star 7

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    Spot on, really not much more to be said!
     
  8. Ithorians

    Ithorians Jedi Master star 3

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    Its really a matter of perspective. I'm really glad for people to be in theaters and watch this scene enveloped in applause and cheering from the whole room, must have been an amazing experience. I'm from that generation that saw Yoda as an incredibly powerful Force user, more than a guy that will be crazily jumping around in a lightsaber duel, so this represents quite a bit what I expected:
    Still I went to the cinema with an open mind, only to find that scene laughed and mocked by the audience, especially the "combat stance" Yoda made before the fight. It happened to me twice, so you would understand that my context of it was completely different to the ones described here. Still, I´m glad many of you got to enjoy it.
     
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  9. Strilo

    Strilo Manager Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Hurl rocks and shoot lightning? Personally, I was blown away by Yoda's power in the moment when he deflects and absorbs Dooku's force lightning with his bare hand. NO other Jedi before or since has ever been shown doing that in the Saga. That was one of THE highlights for me in this fight.

    Oh and count me in having the same experience in theaters with the crowd going wild every time Yoda came out and all throughout the fight. They whooped and hollered and cheered anytime I saw the film with more than a few people in the theater (I saw it ten times in 2002).
     
  10. The_Phantom_Calamari

    The_Phantom_Calamari Force Ghost star 5

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    Sorry, but I don't really believe this happened. It just sounds like a thing people (who always seem to dislike the scene) come up with to counteract all the (much more common) stories of entire audiences cheering.
     
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  11. Ithorians

    Ithorians Jedi Master star 3

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    What ulterior motive could I possibly have to lie about something like this? I just said I'm glad you and others had such an experience, and I'm explaining why for me its different. The scene is not better or worse because it was or not cheered, and its not objectively better or worse because one likes it or not. I understand if you have a hard time imagine it if you lived an opposite reaction from the crowd, but going from there to say that I'm lying just to "lure people to my side" is... well, surprising to see in this forum, to be honest.
     
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  12. cratylus

    cratylus Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    When I went to the cinema on pre-opening night (for a midnight showing) "Yoda fights" was the only spoiler I'd heard. I doubted it a little and wasn't sure how to feel about it. It did look a bit silly and crazy, but even the people who didn't like it actually kind of thought it was cool. The exceptions were people who didn't like the new movie at all. I mean the theater laughed when Anakin and Padme's kiss was interrupted and the music stopped, but they still liked the movie. It's just that some parts of the film had a comedic side to them, and this was one.

    I remember a few people bursting into cheers when Anakin started killing Sandpeople. Not many, but a few. I assume the rest of us understood he was having a dark side episode.
     
  13. Triad Moons

    Triad Moons Jedi Knight star 1

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    (Man, y'all making me salty I never saw AOTC in theaters ;_;.)

    That said, I remember being a bit shocked that Yoda was given a fight sequence at all. I had no real preconceived notions of what Yoda was or was not (what he would or wouldn't do), but watching him pull out the Lightsaber in a TV Spot and then finally watching the entire sequence on a VHS rental, I remember being uncertain about how I felt about it. Mostly because my dad was cracking up watching Yoda hop around Dooku.

    The way people reacted to, as I remember it, was definitely treated like the highlight of the film even admit the criticisms the film got. Didn't it win a MTV movie award for "Best Fight" or am I confusing that with Gandalf/Saruman fight from FOTR?
     
  14. The_Phantom_Calamari

    The_Phantom_Calamari Force Ghost star 5

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    Yeah, I don't believe that there was some kind of equal-but-opposite, theater-wide response that was the mirror image of the much more widely reported theater-wide response. It makes no sense. Sorry. Just my personal reaction to your post. No offense intended.
     
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  15. Ithorians

    Ithorians Jedi Master star 3

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    I appreciate the clarification. Still, I'm surprised its so out of the question for you. Where I live cheering in a theater is rare enough, so I've only lived one standing ovation (and that was the closing scene from a New Hope in 97, a special moment for me ever since). Even by those standards, I left the theater annoyed by what I felt a lack of respect displayed by some people towards the other viewers and the movie itself. Was it the whole theater in unison? certainly not, the theater wasn't even full... but it was far from isolated, and there was no positive reaction to counteract it: the first time, it was quite noticeable. In fact, there was absolutely no cheering for the Yoda/Dooku scene in the 3 times I went to see the movie back in 2002. Just different realities in this curious world we live in.
     
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