JCC Embrace The FU - Formerly the STAR WARS IS BAD thread

Yet somehow we’ve gone from Sufi-Dyas to the procedure for healing a 50 year old woman’s uterus. Thinking about this too much is our problem.

 

The ZOMG Don’t Click This Thread - This Time We Mean It

 

That's the part where deductive reasoning comes in. Multiple clues were put into the film. You go over each clue and see how they connect. That's why there's no moment of explanation saying that Sifo-Dyas did it on his own and by a strange twist of fate, the Sith find out about it after he took a long walk off a short peir. Even before TCW, it was obvious.

Right. But that still did not mean that there was going to be a verbal discussion where we were going to get a detailed accounting of what happened. Palpatine atine giving the greenlight to kill Jedi was it.

Considering the history of the Sith being tied to the Republic, you would have to have a galaxy of "holocaust deniers" to be clueless.

Wait a minute. Luke never said that he hadn't heard of the Jedi in ANH. He just didn't know about the Force, or how Anakin died. Han never said that he hadn't heard of them either. Just that he didn't believe in the Force.

If you are talking about The New 52, then yes. But between 2006-2011, DC stated that fifteen years had passed between "Batman: Year One" to the conclusion of "52". During which five to six years for Dick Grayson, three years for Jason Todd, three for Tim Drake and then currently for Damien. Since "Rebirth", DC has leaned into nearly 20 years.

Kid was either trolling you, or is cracked in the head.

 

I didn’t say that it would be a ‘detailed accounting.’ Your explanation is that everything we need is in AOTC, yet Lucas himself says that it would be explained in ROTS, where no further information is provided. He changed his mind is the only explanation, yet you’re insisting that he intended it to be settled with AOTC.

 

I know this is kind of a dumb question in light of the recurring Sifo-Dildoass “debate” but are you really so obsessed with getting the last word that you can’t just let my accurate statement slide?

 

Because he heard complaints about it, among other things. So he spoke about it in the commentary.

This is not about having the last word. I corrected the record. I do that. You don't like it, tough. Put me on ignore or ban me.

 

Your position is that he released AOTC, heard complaints about Sify-Dyas not being explained, stated it would be explained further in ROTS in the AOTC commentary, but then didn’t because he felt it was already explained enough in AOTC?

 

“Someone in the Jedi Order has been hiding this whole system from the Jedi Archives. It does come out in the next movie exactly what’s behind all this, but I wanted to have it there in this movie, but not so strongly that you ask who is the one who erased the tapes and who started the army and how all that works, because it’s something that, unfortunately, doesn’t get revealed until the third film.” George Lucas quote in question, Attack of the Clones audio commentary

 

Sinister the only thing you've demonstrated is that you are willing to argue the sky is green until you are outright blue in the face.

 

I like that this thread is pinned at the top of the JCC.

 

Right. He wasn't going to give away that the Sith were responsible for it. That's why he said that. Hence what he said in the ROTS commentary.

 

But if AOTC as written "doesn't give it away" you can't also say that the question is obviously answered. By definition it is not.

 

So he doesn’t give the answer away in AOTC, but then he says that the answer is obvious if you’re paying attention in AOTC?

What further information was he intending to give away in ROTS that he hadn’t already given away in AOTC?

 

Sifo-Delete-This-Thread

 

Rarely have I seen somebody talk himself into a corner like this on here, and it's pretty funny to see. Because the more he claims it was all obvious, the more incompetent he makes the Jedi look.

 

ok ... I don't think I'm ever gonna forget that last page. Dr. Wocky : Space Gynaecologist .

 

Sifo-Dyyyyyas
We make our dreams come truuuue
Sifo-Dyyyyyas
We'll do the same for youuuuuuu

 

D-d-d danger lurks behind you
There's a stranger out to find you
What to do, just grab on to some...

Sifo! Woo-oo!

 

So I think we can agree that while recording the audio commentary for AOTC, Lucas intended to reveal who ordered the clone army and who erased Kamino from the archives in film 3.

 

I bet Sifo-Dyas deleted it from the DVD.

 

I mean Palpatine could've done a villain's monologue where he reveals to the jedi "It was I who organised the building of the clone army, Dooku posing as Tyranus worked with Dyas who had had a vision of a future war ... yaddah-yaddah..." but then he figured it's more dramatic to have him issue Order 66 and this is like a massive blow which also confirms that he had control all the time.

writers change their mind all the time while writing.

 

ok that could've been a sick little monologue he gives to Windu before Anakin gets there

 

Wait? The PT movies were badly written? This is the first I'm hearing this.

 

20 Jedi tried to clone him
20 Jedi made a slip
21 would be the Sifo
with the Dyas on his hip

 

Once the Army is revealed, the Republic takes control of both the soldiers produced and the contract to make more. That means it’s really impossible to tell if Order 66 was something that was always a part of the Clone Army’s orders, or if Palpatine inserted that secretly some time after Geonosis. The whole issue of who “ordered” the clones first is irrelevant because Palpatine is the most logical contract holder once the war starts.