"There Hasn't Been a Full Scale War since the formation of the Republic

We hear this quote in AOTC. I wasn't sure wherelse to post this. Does anybody know about that war, or is it purely eu?

 

Unless I'm mistaken, I think Sio Bibble is referring to the "Sith Wars", back 4,000 or so years ago.

I don't really know much on the situation however. I never got a chance to read up on it.

But it's purely EU.

 

It depends what you go on.
Does Sio Bibble mean the most recent full scale war which led to the supposed "extinction of the Sith"? In which case Palpatine's line "I will not let this Republic that has stood for a thousand years be split in two." is when the Formation of the Republic was.

If its another case I seriously doubt its the Sith War he refers to because the Republic is already formed by then.

 

so what was the reason for this war?

 

Hmmmm well I'll run with the Sith extinction War theory ok. So please don't hound me.

From the TPM novelisation we learn that the Sith were formed 2000 years before TPM, and that they waged war with the Jedi for a thousand years before they were thought to be extinct.

Now I assume that with the Sith breaking out, they used their Darkside influence to takeover and control many worlds in the galaxy, thus breaking up the Republic of that time.
War between the remaining Republic worlds and the new Sith Controlled ones continued until around 1000 years before AOTC (going by Palpatines quote), the Sith were finally defeated and the galaxy was free. The resulting post-war event was the Formation (or reformation) of the Galactic Republic that Palpatine later controls as Supreme Chancellor.

This is just an idea so I don't really know, just fun speculation here

 

so what was the reason for this war?

The Sith wanted to take over the galaxy and kill all the Jedi. The final battle of this war takes place in the graphic novel Jedi vs. Sith.

 

I was always under the impression that the last full scale war was 1000 years before AOTC.

 

well maybe it took the republic some time to form, meaning that the war could've taken place during that transtition period

 

Even neglecting the information available in the novelizations and the EU (much of which is contradictory), there appears to be a problem with dates inside the movies. The Republic has stood for "a thousand years" - but Obi-Wan says in ANH that it lasted for "a thousand generations". That's a huge difference, more than an order of magnitude. Either there is some complicated thing going on with different events being termed the formation of the Republic, or we can't take both statements as wholly accurate. Surely it's possible that one of them merely made an error, as both were mere offhand remarks.

 

I agree with -_-_-_-_-_-. Think about it. There are obviously gonna be people who don't want to be in the republic for one reason or another, so they had to be defeated for the Republic to be formed. I'm pretty sure it's the war that took place before the Republic existed, for the purpose of establishing it. The Sith Wars, being over 4,000 years ago doesn't match up with the Republic being only 1,000 years old.

 

Which is why there are only two Siths from the sequel onwards. Darth Sidious is the master, with Maul/Dooku/Vader as his right hand!

 

I think what Sio Bibble was refering to a multiple-system conflict, such as the Clone Wars or the Sith War (thousands of years before the Republic). There must have been civil wars and other kinds of conflicts, during the time of the Republic...only these were small conflicts that a handful of jedi could either mediate a resolution, or the Republic's limited resources could police.

 

Aiwendi:
When Obi-Wan is talking of "a thousand generations" he is talking about how old the Jedi Order is.

 

I agree with JK.

Also, when Sio Bibble says 'Full Scale' war perhaps he means like a 'Galactic' war (something like the WW's in our single planet case) as opposed to between factions on 1 or 2 planets.

 

Yea, maybe they've had several wars since then but nothing on to grand a scale

The EU doesn't even go against the Sith extinction war either, in the Battle of Ruusan the last 20,000 sith were defeated and killed themselves along with all the Jedi they had been fighting. The battle took place 1000 years before TPM

But if you get into the Sith War EU thing then it does start to contradict

 

From the TPM novelisation we learn that the Sith were formed 2000 years before TPM, and that they waged war with the Jedi for a thousand years before they were thought to be extinct.

Now I assume that with the Sith breaking out, they used their Darkside influence to takeover and control many worlds in the galaxy, thus breaking up the Republic of that time.
War between the remaining Republic worlds and the new Sith Controlled ones continued until around 1000 years before AOTC (going by Palpatines quote), the Sith were finally defeated and the galaxy was free. The resulting post-war event was the Formation (or reformation) of the Galactic Republic that Palpatine later controls as Supreme Chancellor.

You're actually right on the money, there.

After the Battle of Ruusan, during the last major war against the Sith Order, both sides -- Old Republic and Sith -- were so massively devastated that they both reassessed the damage wrought, and instituted wholesale changes on both sides, in order to repair what was lost. The Republic was politically re-established with a more-or-less new governmental body, thus explaining both the "thousand years" remark by Palpatine, as well as Sio Bibble's comments.

Also, the Jedi instituted the "One Master, One Apprentice" dictum, as opposed to the previous, multi-apprentice system that had been in effect for some 24,000 years beforehand; and the Sith began the "Rule of Two" philosophy after the loss of all but Darth Bane on Ruusan.

 

The novelisation is not cannon. The war has no explanation. And there was not Sith extinction war.

 

I hate having to expand your view of the world, but when the cover of the TPM novelisation reads:

Based on the screenplay and story by George Lucas

...that means the novel IS part of SW cannon; do you really think GL and his Lucasfilm company to authorize a book that is in conflict with his vision?

 

Lucasfilm policy says that the novels, as well as the screenplays are as "canon" as the films themselves.

But GDS has his right to believe what he wants. No skin off my nose.

 

Too bad Lucas didn't take up that line of thinking back during the 70's and 80's.

They authorized Splinter of the Mind's eye and the Marvel Comics series. The movie novelizations aren't in correlation with the films in a few places...
It's fortunate that new SW fans don't have to spend money on a bunch of authorized, but inaccurate books and movies.

It's fortunate that new fans have the true Special Edition of the Trilogy as opposed to that flawed piece of cinematic **** that I saw when I was growing up.

I envy you young people.

Personally, the Jedi vs Sith comic wasn't that great... too bad it was referenced. They should reference the Tales of the Jedi series, those were much better stories.

 

Personally, the Jedi vs Sith comic wasn't that great... too bad it was referenced. They should reference the Tales of the Jedi series, those were much better stories.

I agree with you there.

Hopefully we might see more tales from the Sith Order talked about in TPM, in the future. Somehow I doubt it, but we need something better than the Jedi vs. Sith comic.

 

Ignoring everything except the films (which is what I always tend to do...)

"There hasn't been a full scale war since the formation of the Republic."
"I will not let this Republic, which has stood for a thousand years, be split in two."
"The Sith have been extinct for a millenia." (A millenia being a thousand years...)

I think those three lines from TPM and AOTC tell you everything you need to know.

The prequels might have taken the Clone Wars away from our vivid imaginations of what they might have been, but they've given us something new to take it's place...

 

definately the sith war...darth bane and the thought bomb and lord hoth and the torn up jedi bodies....uhhhhh.......makes me want to....

 

darth bane and the thought bomb

I still have issues with that

two words: As if!