Senate This thread will trickle down (nationalism, fascism and right-wing ideologies)

This is the place to talk about what we dislike (and in some cases, will want to defend) about right-wing beliefs.

I think most of us (I've been guilty of thinking different) agree that both mainstream US parties fall along the right wing of the political spectrum.
The right as a whole seems to be based on hierarchy, whether racially orientented through fascism, Nazism or in the US, paleoconservatism (50's conservatism seems to be a simplified explanation) and imperialism (at the expense of other cultures/nations/political structures- neoconservative doctrines heavily emphasize the importance of spreading American values across the world) or class-oriented through capitalism (which liberalism and most American politicians seem to endorse).

What Mussolini has to say about fascism:
https://sjsu.edu/faculty/wooda/2B-HUM/Readings/The-Doctrine-of-Fascism.pdf

This passage in particular, I find interesting
"Fascism desires the State to be strong and organic, based on broad foundations of popular support. The Fascist State lays claim to rule in the economic field no less than in others; it makes its action felt throughout the length and breadth of the country by means of its corporative, social, and educational institutions, and all the political, economic, and spiritual forces of the nation, organized in their respective associations, circulate within the State."
I take this to mean that like progressives and people further left, classical fascism rejects the free market and conservative "small government" to some extent. However, their hierarchy is based on race and extreme nationalism, as opposed to bourgeois vs. proletariat.
This is not to say that capitalism is not right-wing either; free-market capitalism and fascism have the basis of hierarchy in common despite the often irreconcilable differences between the two.


This thread isn't necessarily meant to discuss what I've just brought up, but whatever you guys have to say about rightism as a whole.

Heels edit - 12/13/21: Thread locked at request of OP. Anyone who would like to continue the line of discussion is free to create a similar thread.

 

Rightism, I don't like it. All the door handles are always on the left, just so the right-handed people have an easier time. It's downright discriminatory.

 

Wow - a right-wing thread at the JCC. Hmmmm......

Like both political sides, some things are good and some arent. The end.

 

Hard-hitting analysis worthy of a Senate thread.

 

The US politics thread and the The Senate sub forum in general is already about what we dislike about right wing politics.

 

Go easy on Ferus. We all want to post a Mussolini quote now and then.

 

At the end of the day, I can't agree with right wing ideologies. Yes, there might be times where right wing ideologies spit out the same position as mine, but it's usually a coincidence or for the wrong reasons. This is because right wingism is inherently based on hierarchy and exploitation.

 

That wasn't a right wing thread. Purpose of that was a discussion of how to address them in coming to a middle ground.

Found out there can't be. So I abandoned the idea altogether. No point in any of it. There are things people will never see eye to eye on. Like people here don't agree with me, I don't with them.

I'm not writing about it anymore, best leave him be.

 

Look, no offense but the Proud Boys aren't patriots, they're fascists. If you're not able to see that well then... I dunno what to say.

Anyway, right-wing radicals are infinitely more dangerous than left-wing radicals because of the way they pervert and twist the idea of patriotism and religion. A lot of people are automatically inclined to think these are good things and therefore don't notice that the right-wingers are well, evil.

 

In the beginning, God created man and woman, made women the property of men, granted hierarchical power to ruling elites and made people with dark skin tones evil, corrupt and contemptibly inferior to people with lighter skin tones.

Conservatives wish to maintain this archaic and tyrannical power structure for the benefit of those who feel entitled to advantage whilst progressives wish to change it in accordance with more enlightened views on the basic equality of human beings and the origins of life.

Everything else is pretty much just window dressing and public relations.

 

That may be true, but you have to ask why the window dressing exists to begin with. Conservatives wouldn't get very far without it. Progressives might be right about the root causes of our problems, all the billionaires and corporations mucking things up behind the scenes...but the average person doesn't see that. That's why I think Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren didn't gain nearly as much traction as they could have. If you want to defeat conservatism, you have to take apart the window dressing first.

 

Of course not, you just wanted to find the 'middle ground' between the poor, misunderstood Proud Boys and the evil terrorist organization Antifa - peppered with Carlsonisms like asking "Hate speech? I mean, what is hate speech?"

 

The real trick is getting them to post upside down.

 

Slightly more meta on this point, but the usage of fascist seems to have gotten far too watered down and generalized such that it no longer actually represents something particular. Which is tiresome.

 

Hey! There were good people on both sides. Let’s just agree on that.

 

Hi Vin.

 

There are several ways to define and/or characterize fascism, as summarized in this Wikipedia article. I have particularly liked this excellent essay from 1995 by the late great Umberto Eco.

 

And some gents, I’m sure.

 

You kind of answered your own question in the second sentence. The window dressing exists because conservatives are generally squeamish about admitting that their core beliefs derive from the morality of the Middle Ages and so wouldn't get very far without it. Now it's dressed up as economic theory and political ideology and all of that great sounding stuff but at its core it is just a pure belief in the god given right to be a master race with women as chattels and everybody else being put to heel.

 

The world is a dimmer place without him, I feel.

 

also bad as well

 

Never understood how “trickle down” was thought as a good thing for the people on the bottom.

Sounds exactly what it is; piss.