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Senate Time Heals All Wounds

Discussion in 'Community' started by Jabbadabbado, May 16, 2014.

  1. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Bitterest Ex-Mod star 10

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    Actually I think I'm going to approach this differently.

    Anakin Solo Revanchist, please providence evidence to back up your use of the conjunction "if", i.e. "If it actually happened".


    EDIT: Ramza, unless it's a crime in the US the site is not liable for the activities of members if they break this law. However, if a person domiciled in one of those jurisdictions were to engage in holocaust denial, then they might themselves be liable.
     
  2. The Loyal Imperial

    The Loyal Imperial Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I believe it can be prosecuted here as a hate crime, so he's probably (legally) safe as long as he doesn't go around making public statements about it. Not a lawyer, though, so I'd be quite happy to be wrong on that count.
     
  3. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    I vote for banning Holocaust denial on the boards because this isn't a neo-Nazi website and no one should tolerate that highly offensive nonsense. I don't care about legality.
     
  4. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Bitterest Ex-Mod star 10

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    If only we could extend it to denial of the Armenian Genocide, because **** you Turkey.

    So I confer with my learned colleague Darth_Guy. Leaving aside the legal question, making it a T&C of the site works with me. Idiots shouldn't get protection for their ignorance.
     
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  5. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 9

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    What? Yes, US policy antagonized the Japanese in the run-up to World War II. But the fundamental source of tensions between these two countries was the imperialist/expansionist policy of Japan, as exercised in China and elsewhere. They fought because they had a disagreement that was always going to end in the use of force. It wasn't some evil plot by FDR to push a peace-loving government into an unwanted conflict.
     
  6. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Bitterest Ex-Mod star 10

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    Don't you know, Wocky? Roosevelt, being a socialist, wanted war but the good Christians of Congress something something I actually don't know.
     
  7. timmoishere

    timmoishere Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Can we also make it so being a geocentrist is illegal and therefore a violation of the TOS?
     
  8. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Bitterest Ex-Mod star 10

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    Oh shut it, Timmo. Not everything is about your jihad.
     
  9. dp4m

    dp4m Chosen One star 10

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    Do we have any Armenian genocide deniers here?
     
  10. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    We could. I didn't know we had Holocaust deniers until today.
     
  11. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Bitterest Ex-Mod star 10

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    Anyone from Turkey or Israel would qualify, dp4m
     
  12. dp4m

    dp4m Chosen One star 10

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    On these forums, I mean.

    Also, I hardly think it's universal among the populace in those countries as well///
     
  13. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Bitterest Ex-Mod star 10

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    No, but it's pretty concerning that Israel does not recognise it as one. I understand why they don;'t, but still...
     
  14. dp4m

    dp4m Chosen One star 10

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    It's pretty concerning that the Red Star of David isn't recognized as a Red Cross -- excuse me, International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement -- symbol... :p

    Of course, you know that I'm not hugely supporting of many of the Israeli state's actions (both within and without) to begin with, but let's not pretend that -- as a state-sponsored actor -- they have certain limitations on certain actions.
     
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  15. V-2

    V-2 Jedi Master star 5

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    I vote against banning holocaust deniers. People should have the right to be wrong about anything and everything, as long as they're polite about it.
     
  16. Moviefan2k4

    Moviefan2k4 Jedi Master star 4

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    Time never heals emotional wounds alone, but forgiveness certainly does. Otherwise, bitterness just sets in.
     
  17. KnightWriter

    KnightWriter Administrator Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Feel free to tell that to Elie Wiesel's face.
     
  18. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 8

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    That's because it's communism.
     
  19. Cushing's Admirer

    Cushing's Admirer Force Ghost star 7

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    Denial never helps heal wounds. Time can ease them but it alone does little. Forgiveness certainly helps as well but it isn't a cure all either. WWII/Shoah is a historical event I'll never forget outside medical issues messing with my memory. The survivors are slowly dying out but their legacy lives on.
     
  20. KnightWriter

    KnightWriter Administrator Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Actually, the survivors are now rapidly dying, and within another decade, I don't think there will be more than a handful left.
     
  21. V-2

    V-2 Jedi Master star 5

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    More importantly we have 1st hand accounts from the Nazis who managed, run and worked in the camps themselves. Something the deniers like to ignore when they question the validity of Jewish and allied testimonials.
     
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  22. Obi-Zahn Kenobi

    Obi-Zahn Kenobi Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    I'm not convinced that we have any Holocaust deniers. I'm on the fence as to whether or not he's denying the Holocaust. Moreover, I don't really think that Holocaust denial is as common on this board as some people seem to think, even if this particular poster is a Holocaust denier.
     
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  23. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Bitterest Ex-Mod star 10

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    So, arguing that "women play games to test how interested you are" is really just a front for bitterness?
     
  24. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    Oh, c'mon, that sort of "skeptical" tactic is the refuge of bigots who are too cowardly to defend their bigotry.
     
  25. Obi-Zahn Kenobi

    Obi-Zahn Kenobi Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    Jokes aren't funny if you explain them.