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Thanks! That means a lot to me, tbh!

 

Hey, this time it is for good!

 

Where the **** have you been?

So, went back did ya? So, what goes with it? Science-wise do you re-reject anything?

 

I'd be very interested in hearing your thoughts on re-conversion, EBB. Obviously, these things are very personal and if this just happened, you may still be figuring things out or not yet comfortable with sharing a lot of it, so don't feel pressured to share anything you don't want to, but I think a lot of us would be interested in hearing what took you away and what brought you back.

 

Maybe someday, man

 

Sorry to disappoint! Nothing personal

 

TFW you are in church and hear the Tobit cataracts verses for the first time...

 

I am only now realizing how awesome the book of Tobit is.
Minus how he got cataracts

Really, I'm enjoying everything about Tobiah and Sarah.

 

Have you read any of the other deuterocanonical books? They're actually really great if you're into that kind of thing.

 

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There Jabba-wocky you have an ally back in this thread now, stop bugging me.

 

I have when they're part of the daily readings. I feel like I've read from Wisdom recently and it didn't jump out like Tobit did. Wednesday's reading from the 3rd chapter in particular was like a cut to the heart:

"So now, deal with me as you please,
and command my life breath to be taken from me,
that I may go from the face of the earth into dust.
It is better for me to die than to live,
because I have heard insulting calumnies,
and I am overwhelmed with grief."

I was viciously reminded of how often I have prayed that God just take me, that I didn't want to deal with the pain of the world, or the loneliness I suffered. And how, like Sarah, I didn't kill myself because of my family and my belief that doing so would be a crime against my soul and humanity.

No other books have hit me like that, nor have I related to in such a way that I could finally almost literally place myself in the given situation.

You saying that they're all similar though makes me want to read them all in their entirety though.

 

I want you still. You are the third part of our ranks.

 

You already have a third part of your ranks: Ghost

 

Team Reconvert, ASSEMBLE!

 

Lord Vivec, I require you. You are the chosen one.

 

A three-fold cord is not easily broken.

 

Me as a kid: It is Sunday morning. That means church.
Me now: Sunday morning! That means church!

 

Me Sunday morning for the past 7 years:

Not going to church for the rest of my life if I can help it.

Sent from Hell--depending on whether or not it exists.

 

Just felt the need to share that I am feeling an intense amount of love for my Lord and Savior this morning.

 

Interesting article on Mary Magdalene...


https://www.yahoo.com/news/real-reason-why-mary-magdalene-140016961.html

The Real Reason Why Mary Magdalene Is Such a Controversial Figure

Sex worker, saint, sinner, witness, wife. In the 2,000 years since Mary Magdalene is said to have watched Jesus Christ die on the cross, she’s been labeled many things.

The label “prostitute” has stuck fast for centuries, ever since Pope Gregory I first pronounced her a “sinful woman” in the year 591, defying evidence to the contrary in the canonical Gospels. On the other hand, Dan Brown’s novel The Da Vinci Code resurrected an old and popular theory that Mary Magdalene was in fact Jesus’ wife. Myths surround the figure of Mary Magdalene to this day.

But neither theory — penitent prostitute or devoted spouse — actually matches what can be said about Mary Magdalene from what’s written in the Bible: She was a woman from Magdala, a small Galilean town known for its fishing, who became a female disciple and was first witness to Jesus’ resurrection, the cornerstone of Christianity.

But the team behind the new film Mary Magdalene, directed by Garth Davis, is hoping to get back to basics. The movie, which came out in the U.K. on March 16, tells the story of Mary Magdalene (Rooney Mara), detailing her fraught existence in Magdala as a single woman determined not to marry, before she meets Jesus (Joaquin Phoenix) and follows him to Galilee and then Jerusalem, where he’s crucified. Yet, in stripping away the myths, this film portrayal of Mary Magdalene underlines what some scholars see as the real — and unexpected — reason why she’s so controversial.

At the heart of the controversy is the idea that Mary Magdalene’s connection to Jesus was spiritual rather than romantic. For example, in the film’s version of the Last Supper, Mary Magdalene is seated on Jesus’ right-hand side. Though the tableau echoes a key scene in the 2006 film version of The Da Vinci Code, in which the characters examine Leonardo Da Vinci’s mural The Last Supper and debate whether the effeminate figure to Jesus’ right was in fact Mary Magdalene, the new movie doesn’t place her there as his wife. The significance of her seat lies instead in Mary Magdalene taking the prized position above any of the twelve male apostles, as Peter (Chiwetel Ejiofor) looks on in jealousy.

This version of the story is the real reason why Mary Magdalene is dangerous to the Church, according to Professor Joan Taylor of King’s College, London, who worked as historical advisor for Mary Magdalene.

Mary’s central role in the Gospels has historically been used by some as evidence that the Church should introduce female priests — and since 1969, when the Catholic Church admitted that it had mistakenly identified Mary Magdalene as a sex worker, the calls for women in church leadership positions have only grown louder.

“Within the Church she does have tremendous power, and there are lots of women who look… to Mary Magdalene as a foundation for women’s leadership within the Church,” says Taylor.


The film draws partially from the Gospel of Mary, a “very mysterious document” discovered in the 19th century, Taylor says. It has no known author, and although it’s popularly known as a “gospel,” it’s not technically classed as one, as gospels generally recount the events during Jesus’ life, rather than beginning after his death. It’s thought the text was written some time in the 2nd century, but some scholars claim it overlaps Jesus’ lifetime.

In the Gospel of Mary, which isn’t officially recognized by the Church, Mary Magdalene is framed as the only disciple who truly understands Jesus’ spiritual message, which puts her in direct conflict with the apostle Peter. Mary describes to the other apostles a vision she has had of Jesus following his death. Peter grows hostile, asking why Jesus would especially grant Mary — a woman — a vision.

Mary Magdalene’s special understanding of Jesus’ message, and Peter’s hostility towards her, as portrayed in Mary Magdalene, will likely split opinion, according to Taylor and her colleague, Professor Helen Bond of The University of Edinburgh, Scotland, with whom Taylor is presenting a U.K. television series on women disciples this Easter, titled Jesus’ Female Disciples: the New Evidence.

“[In the film] she’s really close to Jesus, not because of some kind of love affair, but just because she…gets Jesus in a way that the other disciples don’t,” Bond says.

The idea that the twelve disciples didn’t quite “get” Jesus in the same way Mary Magdalene did is addressed throughout Davis’ film. The disciples are waiting for Jesus to overthrow the Romans and create a new kingdom, one without death or suffering. But by the end of the film, following Jesus’ death, Mary Magdalene has come to the conclusion that “the kingdom is here and now.”

For Michael Haag, author of The Quest For Mary Magdalene, the Church has historically sidelined Mary not just because of her gender, but also because of her message. He argues that the Church specifically promulgated the idea that she was a sex worker in order to “devalue” her message. Haag believes that Mary Magdalene’s alternative ideas proved too dangerous for the Church to allow them to spread. The Gospel of Mary Magdalene, in his view, undermines “Church bureaucracy and favors personal understanding.”


Mary Magdalene’s release date in the U.S. has been pushed back; its initial distributor had been the Weinstein Company, which recently filed for bankruptcy after its co-founder Harvey Weinstein was accused of sexual assault. However, members of the Christian community have already expressed doubts about the film.

Taylor Berglund, an editor for Charisma Media, a Florida-based magazine aimed at charismatic and Pentecostal Christians, believes that there’s potential for Christian audiences to boycott the film, as they did for Noah, starring Russell Crowe, in 2014. “To say only Mary Magdalene understood Jesus Christ and everyone since has been mistaken would be heresy,” Berglund says.

The fact that Mary Magdalene draws from a “gospel” that isn’t officially recognized by the Church may also provoke criticism. Jerry A. Johnson, the president and CEO of National Religious Broadcasters (NRB), says that films that “rely upon extra-biblical accounts” can’t be “accurate.”

“Evangelical audiences do not look kindly on efforts to twist the story of Jesus to fit a political narrative in service of today’s agenda of feminism,” Johnson says.

But both Bond and Taylor point to the Bible itself for further evidence of Mary Magdalene’s intimate understanding of Jesus. She remains at the cross during the crucifixion while the other disciples hide, and she’s the first to see Jesus following the Resurrection. “[There’s] the very strong implication that Christianity is derived from her testimony and her witness,” Bond says.

Strip away the labels of “prostitute” or “wife,” and Mary Magdalene still remains a controversial figure. Her story challenges ideas about spirituality, and the role of women in religion.

“[She’s] a feminine voice from the past,” Taylor says. “There’s something about her. Something about Mary.”​

 

To that, all I can say is, I have a policy of not criticizing TV shows I don't watch, books I haven't read, or movies I haven't seen. We'll just have to wait and see if it's as sketchy as it could be; but to be fair it might be amazingly awesome. And that reminds me, I still haven't watched Noah.

Anyway, thanks for the heads up, @Ghost, I hadn't even heard of this until now.

 

It is about Russell Crowe doing karate (Taken style) against rock monsters.

Don’t.

 

As far as any of the Pope's and their proclamations on anything and ESPECIALLY persons they never actually knew - I would reject outright.

Majority of the history of the Catholic Church's time - Pope's have done too much killing to get to be Pope in the 1st place to be taken as Holy or good men at all.

 

I'm actually quite fond on his Holy Father, Pope Francis, and if the Church embraced his liberal attitudes more, I would consider attending mass. It has been 11 years since I attend Church (apart from funerals) and something I kinda miss. But, alas, it is down to the Church to bring me home.

 

I'm very interested in the Mary Magdalene movie. Great cast right off the bat. Initial critical response seems to be lukewarm though.