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Discussion in 'Community' started by Ghost, Dec 24, 2012.

  1. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Grand Master star 5

    Aug 8, 2016
    Again, it is not a “service to the people” the church is supposed to preach the gospel and fulfill the great commission. There is this weird and bizarre notion that the actual message of the gospel is unimportant or it’s “strings attached” and that the church has a social role of what amounts to alms giving.

    The gospel is the point. Jesus himself fed the hungry and healed the sick, but his miracle work wasn’t simply to provide charity to the hungry and sick of Judea of which there were very many but to redeem their souls. The physical healing and giving food is a representation of what His actual mission was. Just as caring for the sick and poor is a reflection or expression of what the Church’s mission is.
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  2. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 6

    Oct 29, 2005
    It is a weird and bizarre notion that any religion should focus on making this world the least bit better, isn't it?
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  3. Lordban

    Lordban Chosen One star 6

    Nov 9, 2000
    If Catholicism's followers were a country, they'd be China. If Catholicism's global revenues were a country's, they would be Iceland's. If its followers were citizens, and the Church a country, Catholicism's tax revenues per capita would be ten times lower than the poorest country in the world's.

    The Catholic church really isn't that well off, not in this day and age. It certainly doesn't have the shoulders to cover for all the poor of the world. It wouldn't even have the shoulders to cover for the poor of the USA if it put all it has just in that one country.
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  4. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 7

    Oct 13, 2003
    It seems quite clear that, according to Jesus, the gospel is for us to love one another, that this is how we show we love God and follow him, by following his way of compassion towards all.

    Matthew 22
    36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
    37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

    Matthew 7
    12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

    Acts 4
    32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.

    Acts 16
    17 She followed Paul and the rest of us, shouting, “These men are servants of the Most High God, who are telling you the way to be saved.” 18 She kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so annoyed that he turned around and said to the spirit, “In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!” At that moment the spirit left her.

    Matthew 23
    12 For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.

    Matthew 25
    34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
    37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
    40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

    Matthew 10
    8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.

    Matthew 7
    “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
    3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
    4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

    Matthew 19
    16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
    17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
    18 “Which ones?” he inquired.
    Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother, and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’”
    20 “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”
    21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

    Matthew 5
    3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
    4 Blessed are those who mourn,
    for they will be comforted.
    5 Blessed are the meek,
    for they will inherit the earth.
    6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
    for they will be filled.
    7 Blessed are the merciful,
    for they will be shown mercy.
    8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
    for they will see God.
    9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
    for they will be called children of God.
    10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
    11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
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  5. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian New Films Rumor Naysayer star 7 Staff Member Manager

    May 25, 2000
    So on the subject of baking cakes for gay weddings and similar situations, I'm legit tryna understand the rationale. The argument I've heard (using the cake scenario) is that the baker doesn't wanna give the (mis)perception that they condone a particular lifestyle. Do I understand that correctly so far?

    So here's my thing: doesn't that mean that they're basing their behavior on other people's opinions, rather than how they're actually living their lives?

    I'm seriously trying to understand...
  6. christophero30

    christophero30 Chosen One star 8

    May 18, 2017
    Didn't Mother Theresa say something like "I give witness to God all of the time. And occasionally I even use words." I thought that was a cool thing to say.
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  7. SuperWatto

    SuperWatto Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Sep 19, 2000
    It's not that difficult, Merk.
    They just don't want to support something they think conflicts with their faith.
  8. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 ST/Anthology/Fan Films Manager and Ewok Enthusiast star 5 Staff Member Manager

    Sep 20, 2002
    Yes, she was really cool.
    I mean, it's always cool when people, like mother Theresa, get a kick out of watching the poor suffer and die in squalor because that's what poor people should do, so **** them.

    EDIT: And let's not forget that she forcibly had Muslims and Hindus baptized into Christianity right before they died.

    She was a despicable excuse for a human being.
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  9. Darth Smurf

    Darth Smurf Force Ghost star 6

    Dec 22, 2015
    With all confirmed and unconfirmed allegations to her, it is a bit strange to call her as a despicable example of our society, if you look at what most people do in their lives.
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  10. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 ST/Anthology/Fan Films Manager and Ewok Enthusiast star 5 Staff Member Manager

    Sep 20, 2002
    Most people don't call the fact that poor people die in pain "beautiful". And she was literally made a saint for it.
  11. Darth Smurf

    Darth Smurf Force Ghost star 6

    Dec 22, 2015
    She had a lot of flaws, no question but she said that quote in connection how people endure their fate and that this suffering bring them closer to Jesus on the cross.
    To assume that it gave her a kick to see people suffering is polemical nonsense and has nothing to do with scientifically dealing with her work and her mistakes.
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  12. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 ST/Anthology/Fan Films Manager and Ewok Enthusiast star 5 Staff Member Manager

    Sep 20, 2002
    Cool that she sought the best medical care when she needed it then. Awesome.

    She was a hateful person. Someone who looked at poor people as lesser beings, people who could die closer to that cross so that real people didn't have to. Who in her undeserved Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech told the world that abortion, not poverty, was what was threatening world peace.

    Many of those she allowed to "die beautifully" could have lived with some basic health care.
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  13. Alpha-Red

    Alpha-Red Chosen One star 6

    Apr 25, 2004
    I don't know what other denominations or variations of Christianity teach, but from what I was taught, yes helping people in need is the job of the church. If these people come to God eventually as a result of compassion shown to them, great. If they don't...that's their choice and their right, but we should help them regardless.

    I don't see that as being a sufficient justification. What if I'm a baker and I don't want to serve Jews or Mormons because I disapprove of their beliefs? Or alternatively, what if I'm a Christian living in a Muslim-majority country, and the local bakers there disapprove of my lifestyle? This isn't even some radical Enlightenment's just simple reciprocity.
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