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Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by DarthPunisher, Feb 11, 2018.

  1. DarthPunisher

    DarthPunisher Jedi Youngling

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    So a crazy theory/fact came up today and I just want to see if there is any validity to it. Was Vader's suit designed to restrict him from using all of his power? It was said that the Emperor knew that Vader would be more powerful than he was so he designed the suit to prevent him from becoming so powerful.
     
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  2. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    In Legends, there were hints that the suit was designed to be easily overwhelmable with Force Lightning. I think this might not be the case in the newcanon though.
     
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  3. Jedi Knight Fett

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    I think George said once that if Vader had not been burned on Mustafar he would be stronger then Sheev, but because he was he can only be 80% as powerful.
     
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  4. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    He did. The newcanon seems to be moving away from that though - with the Lords of the Sith novel emphasising that Vader's connection to the Force is not weaker, but stronger, after Mustafar.
     
  5. Jedi Knight Fett

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    So in theory he can be stronger then Sheev, but because Sheev has force lightning he can never really go up against him one on one.
     
  6. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Pretty much. In the Darth Vader: Dark Lord of the Sith comics, literally the first thing Sheev does after that RoTS "Noooooo!" is to zap him with lightning in order to bring it home to him just how outclassed he is.

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Darth_Vader:_Dark_Lord_of_the_Sith
     
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  7. Snafu55

    Snafu55 Jedi Knight star 2

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    I also believe the suit was meant to keep him in pain, and to fuel what dark side force ability he had left, as he could never reach his full potential now.
    Though the only time I think he relatively feels good is in a bacta tank like in R1 or in a meditation chamber like in ESB.
     
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    V-2 Jedi Master star 5

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  9. DarthPunisher

    DarthPunisher Jedi Youngling

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    What's also interesting is that his suit was built prior to him getting burned. Sheev knew he was going to end up in it and Im sure he had it so he wouldn't be as strong as him and make him susceptible to lightning and video above is actually pretty interesting.
     
  10. Alexrd

    Alexrd Force Ghost star 6

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    Vader's suit was designed to keep (whatever is left of) him alive, plain and simple. And yes, his potential was affected and limited, despite his connection to the Force, due to the physical condition he's in. More machine than man.
     
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  11. PadawanGussin

    PadawanGussin Jedi Knight star 2

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    My understanding from some of the novels is that Vaders suit was deliberately defective for two reasons -
    1 - To punish Vader for his loss to Obi Wan
    2 - After his loss, Vader lost much of his Force abilities both due to his injuries and the loss of many of the the MCs that had given him his Force sensitives. Knowing this, Palpatine designed Vaders suit to cause pain and discomfort to fuel Vaders Dark Side rage and abilities.
     
  12. The_Phantom_Calamari

    The_Phantom_Calamari Force Ghost star 4

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    It's always been true that he grew stronger in the Force after Episode III, through continued training in the dark side. The point isn't that he couldn't develop his abilities further, it's that there's now a hard limit on his potential where there wasn't before.
     
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  13. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Lucas said that in supplemental material - but a case could be made that the newcanon doesn't subscribe to that, and isn't bound by it.

    The Legends ROTS novelization, may have been referencing Lucas:

    You did it.
    You killed her.
    You killed her because, finally, when you could have saved her, when you could have gone away with her, when you could have been thinking about her, you were thinking about yourself ...
    It is in this blazing moment that you finally understand the trap of the dark side, the final cruelty of the Sith-
    Because now your self is all you will ever have.
    And you rage and scream and reach through the Force to crush the shadow who has destroyed you, but you are so far less than what you were, you are more than half machine, you are like a painter gone blind, a composer gone deaf, you can remember where the power was but the power that you can touch is only a memory, and so with all your world-destroying fury it is only droids around you that implode, and equipment, and the table on which you were strapped shatters, and in the end, you cannot touch the shadow.
    In the end, you do not even want to.
    In the end, the shadow is all that you have left.
    Because the shadow understands you, the shadow forgives you, the shadow gathers you unto itself-
    And in your furnace heart, you burn in your own flame.
    This is how it feels to be Anakin Skywalker.
    Forever ...
     
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  14. Darth Visor

    Darth Visor Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I remember reading that the loss of his limbs is the primary way that he was restricted by the suit because he couldn't channel some powers like force lightning (does make me wonder about choke however).
     
  15. The_Phantom_Calamari

    The_Phantom_Calamari Force Ghost star 4

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    But the point is you haven't provided any evidence to indicate that it doesn't feel bound by it. Vader growing stronger after Mustafar doesn't contradict anything.
     
  16. Darth Boycs

    Darth Boycs Jedi Youngling

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    Ummhh. Beethoven, anyone?


    And this was sculpted by a blind man.

    [​IMG]
     
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  17. FS26

    FS26 Jedi Padawan star 1

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    The Lords of the Sith novel begins with a section on Vader and the suit from Vader's POV, which doesn't give the impression that the suit had *intentional* shortcomings. When connected, Vader seems to be as one with the machine elements. It also gives him greater resistance to outside damage (vacuum, heat), and he uses the pain when the suit is offline to strengthen his connection to the Dark Side.

    While some Legends material might have said that the suit was intentionally susceptible to Lightning, this doesn't seem to be the case in canon (the recent Darth Vader comic issue had Vader be struck by lighting). Intentionally weakening Vader would also go against Sith philosophy and Sidious' personal aims: an apprentice is supposed to be a constant challenge to the master to keep the master strong. A good example of this is the end of the 1st Darth Vader comic series (set after ANH), where the Emperor rewards Vader for having schemed against the Empire for personal goals.
     
  18. Lumiyas_Head

    Lumiyas_Head Jedi Master star 2

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    Perhaps the suit that was originally crafted for him prior to his confrontation with Kirak Infil'a. But after Vader returns to Coruscant, Palpatine attempts to set droids to repair the suit until he senses that Vader would prefer to fix it himself. Palpatine instructs Vader to adjust the suit as he sees fit and to make it his own.

    However, one of the specialists that assisted in helping rebuild Vader after his injuries on Mustafar did input some type of shut down command in Vader's mind or somewhere in the suit itself. It went unnoticed for two decades until it was activated. But after a brief internal struggle, Vader was able to overcome the command. If it was in the suit, it must've been in a location that would prevent it from being discovered even from the most intensive of rebuilds or diagnostics.

    Whether or not the Emperor was aware of this is unknown.