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Visual Storytelling at its greatest: In depth analysis.

Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by _dArTh_SoLo, Sep 17, 2004.

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  1. MissPadme

    MissPadme Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Anakin and Luke looking at their hands is a good one, as is the similarity between Leia in TESB and Padmé in AOTC. How about Leia trying to shoot at Slave I and Padmé trying to shoot at Count Dooku's ship? Now there's a neat parallel.

    --MissPadme
     
  2. openmind

    openmind Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Thank you Obi Frans! :)

    Wook, you've said it. Unfortunately most of Anakin's hand can't be seen except for his thumb. Meanwhile,

    How about Leia trying to shoot at Slave I and Padmé trying to shoot at Count Dooku's ship? Now there's a neat parallel.

    Sure! I remembering mentioning that on another thread early last year. Now if Obi Frans could help me one more time ;):D
     
  3. SkottASkywalker

    SkottASkywalker Jedi Padawan star 4

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    The visuals of STAR WARS. Amazing and interesting.
     
  4. Jumpman

    Jumpman Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Here's a visual parallel between the trilogies than's not all importmant but one of my favorites I caught way back in 1999 when the Phantom Menace opened;

    It's an establishing shot of the Jedi temple just as a Coruscant vehicle flies by only to direct cut inside the temple to see Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon before the council.

    Fast forward to Return of the Jedi. Same camera movement, establishing shot on the Desth Star of Palpatine's Quarters. It's a spier like the Jedi Temple but only one instead of five spiers on the Jedi Temple. A Tie Fighter flies by and we cut directly inside Palpatine's Quarters to a meeting between Palpatine and Vader.

    I've always found those two similar shots interesting. A direct link between the Jedi and the Sith, being that Anakin was once a Jedi and is now a Sith in Return of the Jedi, yet has really never left slavery his entire life.
     
  5. MatthewZ

    MatthewZ Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Open Mind and Obi Frans,

    Don't forget Anakin and Luke both throw something away after the images pictured.
     
  6. Obi_Frans

    Obi_Frans Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Don't forget Anakin and Luke both throw something away after the images pictured.

    Actually, Anakin throws something away before looking at his hands ;)
     
  7. Jeff 42

    Jeff 42 Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Cool thread.

    I'm sure many people have noticed the parallels between the ending scenes of TPM and ANH (a group of people standing in front of a celebrating crowd, Anakin/Han giving Padme/Leia a lopsided grin, Artoo beeping, etc.), and of AotC and ESB (Padme and Anakin/Leia and Luke standing together, looking out at a lake/outer space, with Artoo and Threepio off to the side). So will RotS end with Palpatine, Vader, and other assorted bad guys in a group smiling at the camera? ;)
     
  8. _dArTh_SoLo

    _dArTh_SoLo Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Wow its nice to see participation in my thread, this is awesome!

    I didn't post the more visible parallels because I wanted to get deeper into it, but if someone would want to do that they are more than welcome to. It's just so much of a pain in the but to capture the images, paste them, save them, upload them, and then post them...ah.
     
  9. AnakinsLuv

    AnakinsLuv Jedi Knight star 3

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    _dArTh_SoLo --- You rock a million times over for posting this thread!! It really drives us to find more and more parallels and makes the SW movies even more deep and connected than ever before.

    This thread is one of my favorites now!! :D

    -AnakinsLuv
     
  10. MissPadme

    MissPadme Jedi Padawan star 4

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    So will RotS end with Palpatine, Vader, and other assorted bad guys in a group smiling at the camera?

    Right...the Sith will have an outdoor celebration/bbq complete with music, dancing, and fireworks. The smiling, approving blue ghosties of Darth Maul, Darth Bane, and Count Dooku will make an appearance ;) :p.

    --MissPadme
     
  11. Spike_Spiegel

    Spike_Spiegel Former FF Administrator Former Saga Mod star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    So will RotS end with Palpatine, Vader, and other assorted bad guys in a group smiling at the camera? wink

    The questions are, will Tarkin dance with Chewbacca?

    Will they use the heads of clonies as drums?

    Will Jar Jar hug Vader's leg?

    :)
     
  12. openmind

    openmind Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Just one more thing about the looking at hands scene: Anakin is viewed from the front, and Luke from the back; similar style to Luke and Anakin looking at the twin suns.



     
  13. AnakinsLuv

    AnakinsLuv Jedi Knight star 3

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    So has anybody got any more goodies for us? :)


    -AnakinsLuv
     
  14. Go-Mer-Tonic

    Go-Mer-Tonic Jedi Youngling star 6

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    Where was this thread hiding?

    I can't beleive people would actually come in here to remind us all that these movies didn't move "a lot of people".

    You guys with the screenshots rock, never mind the chronic negativitiy these forums seem to have.
     
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  15. _dArTh_SoLo

    _dArTh_SoLo Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    thanks.

    I agree, this is my favorite thread...

    of course I made it though, hah.

    I just haven't had the time to post any lately.

    I'll try to get some more soon.
     
  16. newwillorder

    newwillorder Jedi Youngling star 2

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    The new issue of Star Wars Insider (#80) has some new pictures from Episode III and some of them echo/parallel scenes from previous episodes. The picture of the Jedi Starfighters leading the ARC-170s looks exactly like the shot of the X-Wings approaching the Death Star in Episode IV, only it's flipped so the ships are heading from left to right instead right to left. Notice how the planet Coruscant in the background takes the place of the Yavin 4 moon. Another parallel that I noticed is Anakin's ship approaching Mustafar resembles Darth Maul's approach to Tatooine in his Sith Indicator from Phantom Menace.
     
  17. NZPoe

    NZPoe Jedi Master star 4

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    BEST THREAD EVER

    I've enjoyed it thoroughly ... and now its time to give something back!

    These are NOT comprehensive and in NO particular order, this is just stuff I've noticed and decided to put together for you guys. I hope other people can contribute to this as well!

    Behold:

    [image=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/comparison1.jpg]

    This is the first thing I EVER noticed the VERY first time I watched TPM at the cinemas. I was like OMG that's the SAME shot from ROTJ!! Of course NOBODY knew what the hell I was talking about.

    [image=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/comparison2.jpg]

    This is just SPOOKY!

    [image=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/comparison3.jpg]

    Jedi entrance for both films.

    [image=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/comparison4.jpg]

    It was hard to find a good comparison, but you get the idea :p

    [image=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/comparison5.jpg]

    A little "role-reversal"?

    [image=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/comparison6.jpg]

    The big obvious one.

    [image=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/comparison7.jpg]

    The master consoles his apprentice.

    [image=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/comparison8.jpg]

    Anakin rejoins his original master.

    [image=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/comparison9.jpg]

    Very similar design and architecture...

    [image=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/comparison10.jpg]

    Talk about Deja Vu!

    [image=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/comparison11.jpg]

    Luke takes his father's seat.

    [image=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/comparison12.jpg]

    Habitual similarities between father and son.

    [image=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/comparison13.jpg]

    Don't these top-brass meetings all look the same? ;)

    [image=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/comparison14.jpg]

    Interesting reverse-staging of shots. Anakin and Luke both go out to meet their destiny whilst the most important person in their lives looks on helpless.

    [image=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/comparison15.jpg]

    Anakin loses a mother, Luke loses a father. Note Anakin's position on the left-hand (or villain's) side of the frame, Luke occupying the right.

    [image=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/comparison16.jpg]

    Ditto - Shmi occupies the right, Anakin occupies the left. Note the similarity in the circular wound to Anakin and Shmi's left cheek.

    That's all I can be bothered putting up. Hope you guys will add more!

    MTFBWY :)
     
  18. -_-_-_-_-_-

    -_-_-_-_-_- Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Most impressive, NZPoe. :)
     
  19. Jedi_Ford_Prefect

    Jedi_Ford_Prefect Jedi Master star 4

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    Also, notice that in the Anakin/Luke comparisons (especially the AOTC and ROTJ death scenes) the color schemes are reversed in terms of climate: Anakin's are red and warm, Luke's are blueish and cool. You can also see this in the pics posted above comparing their reactions to the death of their loved ones (Mother/Unlce & Aunt).

    My goodness this is great. I wish I knew how to post stills like this.
     
  20. NZPoe

    NZPoe Jedi Master star 4

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    Captured the images off the DVDs. Put them together in Photopaint and hosted them for free on photobucket.com. It's pretty easy :)
     
  21. DBrennan3333

    DBrennan3333 Jedi Youngling star 4

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    This is all just so much crap.

    You could take the two most different movies in the history of cinema, like, I don't know, Citizen Kane and Airplane! and find a few dozen shots that closely resemble each other. There are like 1,000 shots in most movies and there's only so many different angles that you can shoot the characters and cars from.

    And even IF all these shots are intentionally similar, that's not a sign of creativity, it's proof that they new movies are NOT creative. In fact, if these so-called similarities are intentional, it fully proves what I've been saying for months now....Old George Lucas is a parasite living off of the greatness of Young George Lucas!

    Anyway, these shots simply don't work, they evoke zero emotion from the audience. The only people who care about this are us Fanboys who have nothing better than to do frame-by-frame analyses of Star Wars: Episode Two: Attack of the Clones.
     
  22. Jedi_Ford_Prefect

    Jedi_Ford_Prefect Jedi Master star 4

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    You know what? I think you need a hug.
     
  23. _dArTh_SoLo

    _dArTh_SoLo Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    DBrennan3333, if you have nothing to contribute then leave.

    There isn't much more to it than that...
     
  24. NZPoe

    NZPoe Jedi Master star 4

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    And even IF all these shots are intentionally similar, that's not a sign of creativity, it's proof that they new movies are NOT creative.

    Right so by that argument Cameron's "Terminator 2" is probably one of the most uncreative movie in recent memory then isn't it? I mean same story as the original, same plot structure, bad guy is a good guy, lots of self-homages to T1, I mean gee you're 100% right that movie is one of the most uncreative films made in recent memory.

    Oh and before you start praising "Titanic" you really should rent a movie called "The Longest Night" which "Titanic" homages HEAVILY right down recreating certain scenes involving the iceberg impact and its sinking SHOT for SHOT. Intentionally.

    I eagerly await your response.

    In fact, if these so-called similarities are intentional, it fully proves what I've been saying for months now....Old George Lucas is a parasite living off of the greatness of Young George Lucas!

    One man's homage is another man's rip-off. None of your favourite filmmakers that you've listed to me, either on this thread or in private, is innocent of doing neither. If you want to call them ripoffs then they're all ripoffs, every single one of them. :)

    Anyway, these shots simply don't work, they evoke zero emotion from the audience.

    Post proof or retract.

    The only people who care about this are us Fanboys

    US Fanboys? You mean you do this too??? :eek:

    who have nothing better than to do frame-by-frame analyses of Star Wars: Episode Two: Attack of the Clones.

    Given that you've just ranted on about how the shots create "no emotion" then surely it means that you've gone frame-by-frame through some of your own favourite movies as well. How does this make film-fans different from fanboys and, for that matter, you different from us? o_O
     
  25. DBrennan3333

    DBrennan3333 Jedi Youngling star 4

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    This is your final warning. Contribute something to the discussion that doesn't consist of derailing it.

     
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