Was Obi-Wan really holding Anakin back?

I never really saw any significant evidence of this in either AotC or RotS...

 

Imagine if Anakin was trained by Sidious...like Darth Maul was

 

I'm almost postive there is already a thread on this..it was like deja vu.

 

He'd be just as much of a monster as Maul was. It's for the best that he was taught morality. He had far surpassed Maul by Episode 3 in terms of power anyway.

 

and ur saying Anakin wouldnt of been trained in the art of manipulation by Sidious..Maul was an idiot...he couldnt even realize what kenobi was planning in TPM...dont mistake Maul's incompetances...Sidious trained him well

 

I see no reason to assume he would be trained in manipulation given that Sidious trained Maul from birth and crafted him into a weapon, why wouldn't he do the same if he had the Chosen One to mold from birth.

 

Maul was an idiot?

I thought Anakin trying a banzai leap at Kenobi and becoming an amputee showed what an idiot Anakin was.


It's never good to defend bad behavior with worse behavior.

 

Anakin also thought that he was as good as Yoda in lightsaber battle by AOTC, so something tells me that Anakin's assertions aren't foolproof!

But theoretically, I can see OBW holding him back, and for good reasons too!

 

I don't believe Obi Wan held Anakin back. Anakin only thinks ths because Palpatine is filling him up with ideas that if he doesn't listen to the Jedi and 'trusts his feelings' he'll become more powerful. Anakin buys this stuff, as most young people who are flattered by people they trust and admire would.

Obi Wan is trying to get Anakin to control himself and his passions. This is what would enable Anakin to become a better Jedi, not what Palpatine advocates which is part of what makes a good Sith (and yes, I'm aware that the Jedi sometimes tell Luke to 'trust his feelings', but the context is different).

Anakin is perpetually torn between the light and the dark and this is what prevents him from achieving his full potential power(either as a Jedi or a Sith) in spite of his own over-estimates of his proficieny. Anakin had the potential to become more powerful than anyone else, and he does become very powerful, but because of these reasons he never surpasses th Emperor (and presumably Yoda). It's also, in my view, why Obi-Wan and Yoda both prove to be wrong about Vader being irredeemmable.

That's what I reckon anyway.

 

Was Obi-Wan really holding Anakin back?

YES.

 

It's true. Obi-Wan DID hold Anakin back. From Anakin's point of view.

The truth was that Obi-Wan was teaching Anakin discipline, control and patience. These were all traits of a Jedi that Anakin rejected in favor of impatience, greed, arrogance and a desire for power.

 

QFT. Anakin's abilities have made him arrogant as Obi-wan told Yoda and Mace. He doesn't take his training as seriously. His attitude is poor. He lacks that which is required to be a Jedi. So Obi-wan only held him back in regards to taking the trials. Anakin may be good with the Force, but he is not ready mentally and emotionally.

 

But that's just it Sinister, that Anakin was only relatively good with the force. He couldn't control it, just as he couldn't control himself. If OBW was holding him back, it was only to have Anakin learn to control the powers he already had before learning new ones. Sometimes it is better to learn to walk before you learn to run...

 

I did. I think Obi-Wan tried to turn Anakin into some ideal Jedi Knight who would conform to the Order's beliefs.

 

Yes. And Anakin still respected Obi-Wan a lot even despite that. If Anakin had been trained by a Jedi who was less of a "model Jedi" like Obi-Wan, he might've turned out better. I can see Qui-Gon, for example, being much more able to keep Anakin in line than Obi-Wan.

 

That was Obi-Wan's job though. It's no different than what Qui-Gon tried to turn Obi-Wan into or what Obi-Wan and Yoda later tried to turn Luke into.

 

I do see times when Obi Wan seems to be holding anakin back.

But Anakin needed to learn control and patience and he didn't have much of either, thats shown in the first Dooku fight.

 

Learning to use the Force doesn't take long. What takes the most time and always a constant, is learning self-control and self-discipline.

 

I do not think so, but what if he was?

It looked like a needed somebody to hold him back after he charged headfirst into Force-lightning.

And when Obi-Wan was not there to hold him back (he goes away for 5 minutes), he lost his remaining limbs, caught fire, and ended up imprisoned in a life support suit.

If you want to blame Lucas for that then fine, but it is an entirely different discussion.

What is on screen is what counts.

 

I don't think he was in terms of abilities. Maybe advancement. Anakin had some issues with immaturity. He is impulsive. Instead of railing against being accused of unpredictability, he should have thought more about why he was so "unpredictable". He's a wild one and though Obi-wan sympathized, he still had a duty to service and to the office he held.

 

Obi-wan was not holding Anakin back. He did not let him take the trials because he still had much to learn.

 

Anakin was held back because even though he was powerful enough and had the skills to do what a Knight or Master could do he lacked control of himself.

However it brings up an interesting question what if Anakin had been given more freedom? Would he have screwed up things worse and earlier? Or would he have come to realize his own limits through trial and error?

 

"Holding back" implies that one person is being denied an opportunity one is capable of, by another.

"Skillwise," Anakin was quite capable.

In self-control, Anakin was far too immature.

In Anakin's mind, he was ready to assume the role of a Knight. He had the power and probably the skill (the latter is hard to judge as I don't see a lot of evidence one way or the other on his Jedi skills other than fighting). He was ready to be promoted, in his mind.

Obi-Wan knew Anakin didn't have the control. He wasn't ready - not mature enough - to advance. Yet.

Anakin wanted Obi-Wan to pat him on the back and set up the Trials for him. He equates success with power with rank. Obi-Wan doesn't, and won't "give him the opportunity."

Hence, he's held back from his full potential by Obi-Wan.

Only in his eyes. He's not ready. Not yet.

 

Anakin had skills, but he lacked the polish that the more experienced Jedi Masters and Knights have.

 

Yes Because Possibly before AOTC Obi-Wan would`t let Anakin go save his mother on Tatooine...because of his training