Amph Here's Some Money, Go See A Swap Thing: DCU/Elseworlds Discussion

That's the thing for me, I guess, that the specific phrasing on what's being reprised was Batman and then the outlets all jumped to "Ah yes, Bruce Wayne" - except this is exactly the one major event story where that wouldn't follow. Flashpoint wasn't so much about "multiverses" as alternate timelines for Earth-1, which seems to be a detail the reporting outlets were... I dunno, just completely unfamiliar with or neglected to mention? It's not like that's a spoiler, it's the entire premise of the comic.

Not saying it's a sure thing, but it's my theory and I'm sticking to it until some trailer is like "Old-ass playboy Bruce Wayne? Why are you dressed like Batman?"

 

Haven't they already confirmed that they are explicitly recruiting for a Flashpoint Thomas Wayne?

 

I saw that as a rumor but I don't like it as much as this elaborate Pepe Silvia-esque deception theory I've cooked up.

 

Here's another rumor for the mill...

 

NDAs don't cover illegal behavior. And if there was abuse (especially if there was a therapist note backing it up), it would be null I believe.

OTOH, there's Kevin Smith chiming in -- which basically makes it sounds like Joss Whedon was asked to come in as a personal favor (likely because his Batgirl was still gonna happen at that point), and WB wanted him to make Justice League into the biggest thing ever, while simultaneously changing the tone of the film (already like, what, 70-80% in the can), and Whedon thought what Snyder did was absolute ****. And had no problems saying so on set. And recut most everything.

Which... makes sense? And is not at all abusive, or really gross per se, but understandable and probably pretty unprofessional especially for a cast and crew who worked with Snyder a lot.

 

Maybe the behaviour wasn't illegal per se, but rather unethical, unprofessional and/or unsavoury. Regretfully, there are a lot of things you can get away with that aren't criminally liable, but might be resolved in a civil suit or in professional arbitration (in an union setting, for example).

In fact, I do wonder if Ray's comments re: a NDA could not mean that such a suit was already brought, yet settled out of court, beyond the usual contractual stuff.

Any idea if that would be possible?

 

Yeah, but... Fisher knew exactly what he was doing saying the word "abusive" in regards to Whedon, and then providing exactly zero backup. This is clearly unprofessional behavior by Whedon (if true, but I take Smith and his sources at their words), but... it's not abusive at all.

 

From what I've seen, the first drafts had JDM as Thomas Wayne/Flashpoint Batman, but he's been written out of the script entirely and replaced with MK, whose Batman will be the same one as B89/BR, with the same history and everything.

 

Haven't we just had 4 years of a series about the GCPD?

 

As it happens, I’m binging Boardwalk at the moment, halfway through the fourth and final season. Between seasons 3 and 4 there is a huge time jump, a load of interesting events skipped over because of this, and this last season seems rushed and not up to previous standards.

I thought maybe the show was cancelled which caused this. But no, it seems Winter got bored and wanted to move on. Rather than hand the reins over, he decided to go the route he did.

that's my only concern about this, otherwise I am fully on board.

 

Yeah, it's hardly a reasonable complaint to say that a series focusing on the GCPD (a la Gotham) is going to have the same real-world issues that, say, Brooklyn Nine-Nine is struggling with.

Unless we're going to say that Commissioner Gordon -- one of the most level-headed, generally noble, principled non-superheroes in print comics is somehow going to become Postmaster General Gordon and still work with Batman and all of the ridiculously over-the-top villainy of Gotham rogues, of course...

 

And setting it in the world of the new movie, and also firmly divorcing this movie from the DCEU? Yeah, I'm on board.

 

I read elsewhere this will be based on the Gotham Central comic books. So that may give us an insight into this.

 

Another GCPD show after Gotham definitely seems odd (and also, y'know, police) but frankly Gotham stopped be centrally focused on the CGPD after, like, episode 5 and basically became a sprawling Gotham city centric epic that dropped in on the GCPD once in awhile cuz they build the sets.

Also, hey, more Jeffery Wright is never a bad thing, and considering he seems to be only in half of any given Westworld episodes they could probably get a full season out of him.

Gotham cops, Gordon aside, are a hugely corrupt and incompetent lot (even with Gordon is Commissioner) so they could do it without it being "copaganda".

 

Oh god, I would love a faithful adaption of Gotham Central so much.

 

So... apparently Goyer knew Man of Steel's ending would be controversial and then went with it in any case, and already had a non-killing alternate ending in play...

https://www.gamesradar.com/man-of-steel-alternate-ending-zod-death/

 

His reasoning is a little..weak.