Discussion in 'EU Community' started by SithOverlord101, Apr 30, 2020.
Let's have some input, everyone.
I assume the movie battles still count? In which case Yavin and Endor are definitely in there (Yavin for signaling that the Empire wasn't invincible, Endor for killing the Emperor and thereby turning the tide). Geonosis kicks off the first war in a thousand years at least, so that probably makes the top ten as well. And Coruscant (ROTS) kills Dooku, which... is a lethal blow to the Confederacy as an idea, much the same way Endor with Palpatine was for the Empire. The regime is still around, but the writing's on the wall.
I'd say Naboo is a candidate as well, though not for the obvious reasons. The Thrawn trilogy tells us that losing the Katana fleet was one of the deciding factors in moving fleets away from centralized, automated, slave-rigged models... It also tells us that the fleet disappeared ten years before the Clone Wars. In other words, exactly the same year that an entire planet's worth of Trade Federation forces were brought down when a nine-year old slave from Tatooine accidentally blew up their droid control ship. It's not hard to imagine that that was one of the other biggest events that drove fleets to abandon the automation model. (Which has implications for several future wars, as by the Clone Wars you see the Separatists have already made their droids autonomous, while the Republic, and a generation later the Imperials and Rebels, mostly ignore droids altogether).
So that's at least five movie battles that are important. Other than that?
... well, Battles of Coruscant are always important in that they symbolize and officialize the passing of the power in the galaxy from one group to another (whoever controls Coruscant being generally accepted as the dominant faction in the galaxy, even if it's not uncontested). But man, there's a lot of those. The one that let Rogue Squadron take Coruscant and the one that ended the Yuuzhan Vong War would be my two picks.
Ruusan for ending the last of the Sith wars prior to the movie era, probably belongs on there too.
@Ackbar's Fishsticks The movie battles still count
Interesting tidbit on Naboo
I'll throw out my list: [Legends Only]
1. Endor: changed the course of the Galactic Civil War by fragmenting the Empire, starting the Alliance of Free Planets (which later became the New Republic), ended the Banite Sith Order.
2.Sixth Battle of Ruusan (1000 BBY): Changed the course of the Ruusan Campaign, which caused Kaan to use the Thought Bomb, ending the BOD and subsequently causing the Ruusan Reformation.
3. Battle of Yavin (0 ABY): Sparked the Rebellion.
4. Battle of Bilbringi (9 ABY): Ended Thrawn campaign, saving New Republic from Thrawn.
5. Geonosis (22 BBY): The reasons that you listed.
6. Assault on Odessen (3631 BBY): Ended the Eternal Empire's rule over the galaxy.
7. Invasion of Yavin IV (26 ABY): Sparked Jeddai Heresy (changed the course of the Battle of Yuuzhantar)
8. Battle of Coruscant (138 ABY): Ended Darth Krayt's Empire
9. Battle of Ossus (3996 BBY): Redeemed Qel-Droma -- changed course of Great Sith War.
10. Malachor V (3960 BBY): Ended Mandalorian Wars
I think one of the most influential battles would be the Mission to Mykr. If it hadn´t been done the Vong had destroyed the Jedi, and it had a lasting impact on the galaxy. It broke the Solo kids appart, killed Anakin and prevented any of the future apparently destined to him, Tahiri and the childs they have had, it had Jaina abbandon Jacen because she tought saving a corpse is more improtant, which lead to Jacen´s capture and teaching by Vegere. Lessons that would, eventually, be it deliberate or not lead him into the darkside and thus cause the second galactic civil war(or at least its escalation).
Also its when Raynar Thul gets kindapped and alongside the darksiders who did it ends up with the Killiks thus kicking the Dark nest Trilogies plot into action. Also it amongst other leads to the Barabells being more accepted into the Jedi order which defenetly changed them quite a bit(like murdering the Grandmaster to usurp his position is made an official Jedi tradition by them).
So yeah it basically sets up the entire Denningverse.
Endor, Yavin (Death Star), Yuuzhantar, Lehon, Ruusan, Malachor V, Coruscant (Great Galactic War), Byss, Coruscant (Yuuzhan Vong War), Coruscant (Liberation by NR forces) come to my mind.
I think people underestimate the importance of the Battle of Ord Cantrell. For me, the end of Palpatine's Empire coincides with that event.
If you consider accidentally blowing up Byss a battle...
The Galactic Empire never really ended. Well, for me, the timeline ends in 30 ABY with the NJO series and Battle of Yuuzhantar, when the Empire still existed as the Imperial Remnant, which fought the Vong together with the New Republic as part of the Galactic Alliance.
Uh, well, I actually had everything which happened between the Empire and Republic on Byss during Dark Empire I, II and Empire's End, in mind.
The siege of Borlais was important, following the Vong conquest of Coruscant. The delaying action at Borlais bought the scattered and demoralized New Republic time to gather itself together by diverting the Vong's attention. Decisions made on the ground at Borlais led to new thinking both about how the war was to be fought and about how the government of the galaxy should be re-shaped - going on to become the GFFA.
It was the first major defeat for the Vong, including the loss of a worldship and one of their senior and most experienced warleaders. It marked the point when the invasion ceased to advance, and gave a valuable morale boost to the New Republic after the loss of Coruscant.
Number one for me in actual importance is probably The Raid on Dromund Kaas at 3641 BBY (The end of the Jedi Knight Story in SWTOR) the galaxy would have ceased to exist if Vitiate's ritual wasn't interrupted.
With later Galactic History in mind, this might not look that important, but this wasn't merely important in a political sense or in the story of the Jedi vs the Sith, but it was a battle in defence of the existence of the Galaxy itself, and preventing Vitiate from becoming a Force God, wich would change the Universe forever, i feel those go beyond what the Jedi vs Sith war was about, probably one of the Old Jedi Order's greatest acts in the protection of life.
At least for now, i might change my mind on this.
I would say the entire Thrawn Campaign is significant: it was probably the time when the Galactic Empire stood the most viable chance of returning, at least in a pre-Endor form. Clearly, Palpatine was unable to properly control his Empire: he was facing revolt across the entire 150,000 inhabited star systems, and 25,000 measly Star Destroyers weren't going to cut it in interstellar policing.
Thrawn nearly brought the New Republic to its knees: major shipyards damaged, Coruscant blockaded without a single Star Destroyer etc...Now, imagine Rukh doesn't kill Thrawn, and Palpatine shows up a year later with his World Devastators...and Thrawn to command them!
Even though the Thrawn campaign ended in strategic failure for Thrawn and the Empire, he only lost due to what would at best be bad luck: there was no real coordinated effort by "the party" (Luke, Han, Leia, Lando, Chewie, R2 and 3PO) to have Thrawn assassinated. Even if Thrawn doesn't win outright at the Battle of Bilbringi, he doesn't have to: in a year, the Emperor will show up, turn Luke Skywalker (taking the Republic's greatest war hero) and assuming Thrawn is loyal to the Emperor, Thrawn crushes the New Republic with massive fleets built by world devastators and probably keeps the "dumb side" of Palpatine's Dark Side arrogance from getting too out of hand.
Thrawn was worth a dozen Vaders and an entire Academy of Sith Apprentices and Lords. Only the fact that he was not alive to take advantage of Palpatine's legitimacy and world devastators saved the Republic (in character, obviously the writer's pen).
1. Battle of Corbos.
2. Battle of Ossus.
3. Battle of Malachor V.
4. Battle of Lehon.
5. Battle of Drommund Kaas.
6. Battle of Ruusan.
7. Battle of Geonosis
8. Battle of Coruscant (RotS).
9. Battle of Yavin.
10. Battle of Endor.
11. Battle of Bilbringi.
12. Battle of Mon Calamari (DE)
13. Battle of Onderon (DE).
14. Battle of Ord Cantrell.
15. Battle of Yavin 4 (Daala).
16. Battle of Bothawui
17. Battle of Yavin 4 (Second Imperium).
18. Battle of Ithor
19. Battle of Coruscant.
20. Battle of Borleias.
21. Battle of Ebaq 9.
22. Battle of Borosk.
23. Battle of Yuuzhan’tar.
24. Battle of Qoribu.
25. Battle of Tenupe.
26. Battle of Kuat.
27. Battle of Shedu Maad.
28. Battle of Exodo II.
29. Battle of Caamas.
30. Battle of Mon Calamari (Stazi).
31. Battle of Taivas.
32. Battle of Coruscant (Krayt).
33. Battle of the Floating World.
I’ll work at cutting this down by 2/3 one day.
^ Clearly unable to count..........
1. Battle of Endor
2. Battle of Yavin
3. Battle of Yuuzhan'tar
4 Battle of Bilbringi
5. Battle of Coruscant (NJO)
..and clearly I can't count either........and this is also because my memory is shot
Alright I'll try again and cut the film battles because yeah; they're the most important for a hundred reasons; all nine battles in the main films are just that; essential.
1. Battle of Malachor V.
I settled on this as the first on my list because it is so trans-formative for the narrative of the Old Sith Wars. The Jedi and Republic officers that survive become the core of a Sith, the Mandalorian clans never really recover from this utter defeat, and the echoes of Malachor continue to ripple for many a year.
2. Battle of Lehon.
This cannot be avoided because this saved the Republic from utter destruction at the hands of Darth Malak. We were this close to defeat, and Malak was just going to leave the galaxy completely exposed to Vitiate and the True Sith.
3. Battle of Drommund Kaas.
We win; the Sith Emperor is on the back-foot. We lose? He consumes the galaxy in a ritual and lives forever. It's important.
4. Battle of Ruusan.
Twenty thousand Sith face ten thousand Jedi for the fate of the galaxy; the Sith Empire holds Corulag, ready to advance on Coruscant once the Jedi are done. Seven gruelling skirmishes and two years later, the Republic has retaken the galaxy and the Sith are reduced to two thanks to their own treachery; without the Army of Light picking Ruusan to hold the line, the Republic is done.
5. Battle of Bilbringi.
Thrawn's final battle was a tremendous blow for the Empire, and indeed the last time it could re-take the galaxy as the Galactic Empire. Thereafter, the next time the Empire in its purest and most orderly form has a chance is 130 ABY, with every other success between the result of the Dark Empire or the Sith of the day. As much as the First Galactic Empire collapses two years after this, it's reanimated corpse, led by a Reborn Emperor, is all that's doing the fighting. Here, at Bilbringi, the Empire truly died.
6. Battle of Onderon (DE).
One day, the Reborn Emperor has a Galaxy Gun, an armada of dreadnoughts and Operation Shadow Hand devastating the galaxy. He's won. As soon as he secures a new body, it's over, regardless of how well the Jedi do; superweapons that can blow up planets from the other end of the galaxy, as seen with Starkiller Base, don't care how powerful a Force user you are. By the end of this skirmish the Emperor is truly dead, and the Rebels jump the dreadnought here to Byss, destroying the Galaxy Gun - and said armada of warships. The Dark Empire is dead; and with it most of the surviving Imperial miltary.
7. Battle of Borleias.
The New Republic loses Coruscant and collapses; the invaders have secured half the galaxy in two years. Anakin Solo is dead, and Jacen Solo gone. The galaxy has lost its light, and the politicians that survive are deciding how best to surrender. Until Wedge Antilles recaptures Borleias, blackmails the Provisional Council, and holds the planet for months against the invaders; its the first time we've retaken territory, and the first time we've held the line against them. Without this precise point there is no New Republic. It cannot be undersold how important this battle is. It marks the first turning point in the entire conflict.
8. Battle of Kuat.
It's difficult to undersell this battle. The newly formed Confederation advances on the key Core world from Corellia, splitting their forces to capture Balmorra along the way. With eight fleets, the Confederation are essentially unstoppable, as the Galactic Alliance - co-ruled by Jacen Solo, secretly Darth Caedus - can only bring the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Fleets, supported by the dreadnaught Megador, to the frontline without losing control of the rest of the galaxy. Bloodied by a fleet at Balmorra, the Confederation face the Alliance as reinforced by the Hapan Home Fleet - and that puts everyone at even numbers and strength. It is the Jedi who hold the balance of power, with all of the cajoling and threats that Darth Caedus can bring to bear. The Jedi leave. Dedicated to battle - the Confederation unable to retreat, the Alliance unable to pull back - a week long inferno destroys half the vessels present, shattering both the Galactic Alliance and Confederate militaries - and forcing both sides to more brutal methods. Corellia presses on with the rearmament of Centerpoint; the GA burns down Kashyyyk - the Jedi are forced to strike blows against both sides and assist Hapan neutrality - and the Alliance military never forgets; they choose Admiral Daala to run the galaxy after Caedus is killed, smarting from the treachery of the Jedi at Kuat - and eager to get their revenge more than two years later, supporting Daala as she clamps down harder and harder upon the Jedi - and the galaxy itself. Indeed, Luke himself is charged with dereliction of duty and exiled from Coruscant for what happens here - allowing him to discover a Lost Tribe of Sith poised to take the galaxy - and a Chaos Goddess about to escape her prison. Very influential moment.
9. Battle of Coruscant (Krayt).
This is a biggie, and an incredible victory against impossible odds. After seven years of One Sith rule of the galaxy, and a year long uphill struggle with the genocide of Mon Calamari and the return of the Sith Emperor Darth Krayt in an altogether more terrifying form - complete with his Sith Dragon armada and his cyborg Sith Troopers - the defeat of the Galactic Alliance, True Empire and the Jedi seems on the verge of final. Hot on the heels of a rout which killed the Jedi Grandmaster and also Nat Skywalker, the combined forces rally for a final offensive on Coruscant - with minimal hope of success against Krayt and his Sith Troopers. In a whirlwind of chances, they take another opportunity, and another, and another, even as they take brutal losses and casualties. But even then, True Emperor Fel holds a bioweapon which can scald Coruscant clean - at the cost of a trillion souls. He seeks to use it even as Cade Skywalker finally accepts his role as a Jedi and faces down Krayt in the bowels of the Jedi-turned-Sith Temple - but Fel does not know that the weapon does not affect Sith by design. Fel knocks aside his daughter to use the horrifying weapon, only to be stopped by Antares Draco, his most loyal Knight - but only just, and at the cost of the True Emperor's life. Cade kills Krayt and drops his body in the Coruscanti sun - and Luke himself convinces Cade not to plunge himself into the fiery depths with the Dark Lord of the Sith. With no Krayt, the Sith Troopers turn crazed, and the surviving One Sith abandon their Empire - and the galaxy. Against truly impossible odds, the Jedi, Imperials, and Alliance win the day.
10. Battle of the Floating World.
While not a fleet sortie, the Galactic Alliance Triumvirate strikes a final, complete blow against the One Sith - and the Rule of Two, on the cusp of restoration. In a lightsaber clash unseen since the Battle of Ruusan, an army of Imperial Knights face off against the last of the Sith, fresh from a year of thoroughly infiltrating the new galactic government. Had this trap not been laid by Darth Wredd in his attempt to reduce the Sith to two again, the One Sith would very likely completed the mass infiltration that the Lost Tribe of the Sith did a century before; as the end of Legends, and the complete defeat of the One Sith, it cannot be understated.
Totally forgot about the Battle of the Floating World.
It (and Legacy II, I suppose) deserve a lot more love.
If I was to have one more, I'd put the Battle of Tython that began the Force Wars.
The Battle of Lettow:
The concluding battle of the first great schism. That ended Xendor’s legion and his dream.
The Battle of Corbos: Defeat of the exiles and their exile.
Battle of Coruscant Great Hyperspace War: Naga Sadow defeated and the Sith retreat. Sets the tone for Jedi/Republic-Sith conflict
The Defeat of Exar Kun and his imprisonment.
The Battle of the Star Forge: Revan completes his redemption and Malak dies.
The Battle of Mizra-greatest Sith victory in the new Sith wars, disconnected the republic from the outer rim. Long lasting consequences.
The Battle(s) of Ruusan: Conclusion to the new Sith wars and the defeat of the Sith that used armies and fought the Jedi and republic conventionally on a large scale.
The Battle of Endor: Emperor Palpatine’s first death and Vader’s death. The empire begins to fracture.
First Battle of Yuuzhan’tar: Height of Vong success and the nadir of the galaxy’s civilization(arguably).
Second Battle of Coruscant: Vong are defeated and GA solidified.
Battle of Uroro Station: Caedus defeated, and the GA weakened.
The Battle of Coruscant Second Imperial Civil War: Krayt slain, the one Sith go into hiding.
Not 10-but arguably 11-13(to 19 if you count all the Ruusan battles separately or one if one great battle).
If I had to subtract a few-I’d say Endor, Lettow, and the conquest of Coruscant are less significant than the rest. But I wasn’t keeping good count of numbers so I overdid it.
I feel that if Thrawn had still been around when Palpatine had come back these two would have fought. The reborn Palpatine was far unhinged for Thrawn to still consider following, especially after his faith in the emperor had shattered when he heard of Endor. On the other side Palpatine would have seen a victorious Thrawn likely as a rival and demand total obedience wich Thrawn probably wouldn´t give him. So either Palpatine has him assassinated by one of his Dark Apprentices or there would be an imperial civil war.