ST What Do You Think Of The Dyad?

Personally, I kind of like the idea of two Force-users connecting. It definitely came in handy for Rey and Ben.

 

I love the idea because I think that SW should evolve beyond Jedi/Sith duality and introduce new forms of Force users. And they can always do Jedi/Sith in movies/shows set in timelines before ST one aka past. However, they killed the concept immediately after naming it. It had great potential for action scenes because of dyad's ability to share space in 2 different planets if necessary and pass objects through the Force.

IMO, I would end ST with the dyad staying in the Unknown Regions while the classical Jedi teachings would be thought in the Galaxy Far Far Away (after all, books are with the Resistance). That way, they could, if they needed, make movies and shows set in the future with both Jedi (GFFA) and dyad (UR) so that would keep SW fresh. Oh well.

 

As presented on film considering they just name it and don’t actually explain what it is. It’s just about the worst concept ever introduced into Star Wars and is pure nonsense

 

I liked the idea, but it wasn't executed properly. It should've been mentioned way before TROS.

 

Absolutely awful. It was, seemingly, just a plot device to enable Palpatine to rejuvinate without rhyme or reason... Abrams is really bad at the quasi-religious/philosophical stuff (primarily because I imagine he has little knowledge of it), which is why the concept is so weak.

 

I personally like the idea and hope we look deeper into it in the future. While I personally couldn't stand Rey and Kylo's relationship and how forced (no pun intended) it was, the idea of the force connecting 2 people beyond time and space is so intriguing to me. I just think they did an extremely poor job at explaining the whole dyad thing and that's the main reason so many people hate it.

At the end of the day it's literally just that Palpatine was growing too powerful and no one person could defeat him, so the force needed to bring two together to finish the job. And what better people than the descendants of Anakin and Palpatine himself? All is as the force wills it.

 

It was a pretty stupid idea imo.

And then in TROS they could teleport items to each others which made the movie feel like low level fan fiction to me.

Really it annoys me that J J abrams mocked George Lucas ideas("He likes his midichlorians") and yet he ended up introducing this lame idea into Star Wars lore.

 

I like the idea. I'm not sure I love everything about the way it was used in TROS.

 

I hate it (ultimate shocker). Its been done far better with Bastilla and revan, so I actually hated the dyad in the DT as it felt like a plot device instead of a natural story component.

 

And there in lies the problem with the approach to the ST... if the force needed to 'bring two together to finish the job', then it by default undermines Anakin's/Luke's part in that overarching story, because they didn't have the capability to finish the job themselves. And if indeed the 'Dyad' is more powerful than the 'Chosen One', it begs the question as to why the force would't have just created the dyad instead of the chosen one in the first instance?

 

But the question of why the force didn’t create a chosen one to prevent the rise of the Sith in the first place is already being begged. Or why did the force create a chosen one that would facilitate the rise of the Sith...The force is clearly a step slow.

 

Oh I completely agree with all of that. I was never happy with Palps coming back or the fact that it undermines the whole idea of the chosen one. The sequel trilogy is a mess in that regard. I was just referring to the basic concept of the dyad which I like a lot.

 

The dyad is another case of lost potential. Could have been interesting, but wasn't. It's the ST analog of the PT chosen one prophecy (in the worst ways).

 

The entire PT was built on the concept of a chosen one bringing balance to the force. Hokiness aside, that was a fundamental part of its narrative backdrop. Regardless of whether one likes the quasi-religious/philosophical overtones that Lucas introduced with it, it still allows for there to be an internal logic that gives it, relatively speaking, some narrative thrust. That there would be a 'tipping point' where the force would intervene, when out of balance, seems a reasonable conceit in my opinion. However, it gets much more problematic when the aforementioned 'balance' becomes something less tangible than what was presented in the Lucas era.
Did the 'Chosen One' facilitate the rise of the Sith (as you suggest), or was Anakin becoming Vader the only way to ensure the end of the Sith (the *end* as we understood it in the Lucas films)??? If Anakin had never been born, Palpatine would have still been elected Supreme Chancellor and Order 66 would have still happened, but would anyone have been able to get as close as Vader/Anakin and kill Palpatine in an act of selflessness? I doubt it. That the ST makes balance and the prophecy seem much more nebulas (not by design but by default IMO), erodes the internal logic surrounding what the force is, and ultimately what it would want for the galaxy. That the dyad is positioned as something that was required to finish off Palpatine, and bring balance, only works to undermine what went before.

 

The dyad is called 'prophesized dyad' in the VD. A sith prophecy.

Lucas said Anakin was still the chosen one after he turned, as a sith.

So maybe the prophecy contained truth, seen from the jedi and the sith POV, but not the whole truth. Misread by both sides.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant

And Anakin, I'd say, was still the chosen one after dying. The sith did not know about force ghosts. Palpatine didn't, in any case. Maybe using Vader's stuff, like the helmet, was a bad idea. The guy was still around.

 

I think the dyad is fairly dumb in concept. HOWEVER... Rey holding hands and making goo goo eyes at Kylo Ren is 10000 times more idiotic. Therefore, I get why the dyad concept is there. I totally understand the impulse in TROS to try to explain Rey's poor characterization in the previous movie. And quite frankly, well founded story reasons aren't there, so "um, magic, I guess" is what we are stuck with. Force mumbo jumbo is meant to be a better alternative than "our protagonist is a shallow dimwit."

 

The concept of the dyad, like the Grandpa Palpatine reveal, doesn’t feel right because it wasn’t properly developed throughout the trilogy. TLJ had Snoke using Force-Skype sessions to manipulate Rey and Kylo. TRoS casually brushes that aside by revealing that the two are so powerfully connected that Kylo can stalk Rey from the other end of the galaxy.

Just like Grandpa Palpatine, this could have been an interesting storyline had it been properly conceived of and developed in TFA and TLJ.

 

I'm still not convinced that Rey isn't a shallow dimwit though.

 

Easily the best part of the ST.

 

It doesn't make sense. It leads to nothing except bringing Palpatine to full power, who Rey then takes out 10 minutes later. What other purpose does it serve? Absolutely nothing. It could have been a cool concept, if it went anywhere, but it doesn't do anything. The only thing it does is force Rey and Kylo to interact in TLJ (even though Snoke said he bridged their minds, so... is it the dyad or not? Who knows). To me it's basically made because of this:

Other than bringing Palpatine to full power, it serves no purpose to the story.

 

Everything you've just applied to the Chosen One logic could be applied to the Dyad in an equally valid way. Maybe the only way to truly end the Sith was for the Force to create a Chosen One and then follow it up with a Dyad when the time was right. That's no less plausible than the Force needing to hold off on creating a Chosen One until the galaxy was already in ruin.