ST What does the ST add to the Saga? What is its story purpose?

Yeah, you're right, I'm just being flippant. It's not like the idea of doing another superweapon has been lampooned (and rightfully so) for years or anything.

 

I wouldn't say that those are antirequisites for JJ, or anyone, genuinely wanting to make a continuation.

 

Thing is, making fun of superweapons is what we do out of universe in total safety.

One of the things I really like Rogue One for is it showed the reality of the Death Star in a way no prior story did - that, in the galaxy it was created in, it worked. It terrified beings into submission as soon as they heard about it. Scary? Certainly, but it's a perfect portrait of the Empire - what it's all about and where it's going.

Would those guys start building a Starkiller? Of course they would.

 

I don't know, if that was Rogue One's central purpose, then it really wasn't worth it. It's a weapon that largely speaks for itself. Besides, I was not speaking in-universe. I'm speaking strictly from a narrative perspective. Besides, Starkiller Base doesn't bring anything new. It's just dumb and absurd. It's not necessarily that much bigger of a threat, it destroys an entity that no one in the audience actually cares about because it only existed in the film for its own destruction and the only reason it is made to destroy Hosnian is because it gets rid of the hardest part of a post-ROTJ Star Wars story that needs to be written. On top of that, it did not even necessarily need that much of a greater effort to destroy Starkiller than it did to destroy the first Death Star. A total hack move on all accounts.

 

That comparison doesn't work. The Death Star could be destroyed from outside, unlike Starkiller Base. As I already explained, you had to land on that planet from hyperspace, which no sane mind would ever attempt. And once landed there, you needed to enter a military base and deactivate the shields there. Then you needed to get inside the thermal oscillator and blow a huge hole in it, so that fighters could enter it and destroy it from the inside. To pretend that this was somehow easy or something anyone could have thought of when planning the defense of the station is disingenuous to say the least.

An insult is an insult. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean that the people who did it lacked drive or ambition. And that is the entire problem, you aren't arguing in good faith. You are making assumptions with no proof whatsoever, you pretend to know what other people are doing or feeling, and you insult the people who worked on it because they dared to do something you don't agree with. There is no content in your post, just inane drivel that insults people for the sake of insulting them.

Don't talk about stuff you have no idea about. And you most definately do not have any idea how much ambition and drive existed for the writers. You don't have to like what they came up with, I personally don't find it particularly creative either, but that doesn't give you the right to insult those people, or state that they lacked drive or ambition when you couldn't possibly know that. The amount of time and effort invested into a project has nothing to do with whether everyone will like it or not. You can spend an entire life working on something that someone else doesn't see anything in. Doesn't mean that the person who worked on it lacked drive or ambition, all it means is that you don't like what a person came up with.

 

Dude, this thing is a military installation that is essentially a planet that was turned into a hollowed-out cannon which houses goodness knows how much of the First Order's own military. This should have been something that took a fleet to destroy. Either that, or they should have come up with a better idea than "lEt'S JusT sPeED THrOuGh tEh sHIeLd aNd HoPE FoR tHE BeSt". It's like they saw the invasion of Iserlohn Fortress from Legend of the Galactic Heroes and said, "Hey, guys, let's just do a really crappy version of this."

How would we not know about it when the final result is clearly representative of everything I've said?

 

Because the highly absolutist statements of JJ's motivations is based upon something so subjective.

 

It's good to know I've finally whittled it down to "It's just your opinion, maaaan."

 

That's not my point at all though. Normally I think it's impolite to infer such disparaging motivations based upon the fact you didn't like the film they created.

 

I mean, it's in poorer faith to insinuate that I'm arguing these things simply because I didn't like the film. It's the particular reasons why I dislike it that I am attributing these motivations to them in the first place.

 

Which brings me back to what I said. The reasons why you think a = b are highly subjective which is why I don't think it's good form to draw such absolutist statements about someones work based upon them. It'd be different if we had motivations from JJ that alluded to such motivation.

 

Yes, because people readily admit stuff like that all the time.

 

Okay? Doesn't really change my point.

 

No, I'm not trying to change it. I'm acknowledging the unlikelihood of what you're saying. I doubt we'll ever get anything out of Abrams that is along the lines of him admitting his own excruciatingly apparent faults as a storyteller, especially as far as this film is concerned. It will most likely never happen. So saying that we need to wait for him to give credence to my point when his own oeuvre says it all is ridiculous.

 

Someone that possess the fact, please relate whether or not the drafting of the theatrical TFA script took more than 8 weeks. While walking around a city.

 

For all that the talk was of TFA being an ANH remix, when I finally got around to it I found it to be far more an OT remix entirely. At the time I thought that meant that, having got the OT stuff done and out of its system, TLJ would use the springboard of TFA to do something new and interesting... And there's how that turned out.

 

it feels like a copy because it's meant to. It's a soft reboot. This didnt' happen by accident. Remember the world prior to Disney buying star Wars. We had the OT which was loved and the PT which was absolutely hated. Yes back before Disney bought Star Wars the vast majority of fans and the general public hated the PT.

When they made the purchase there was a huge outrcy that Disney was going to ruin Star Wars. So they needed to prove that Disney could make a Star Wars movie.

They also had to introduce a whole new generation to the series. So a soft reboot is what they made and as we can see from the Box office of TFA, DVD sales and so on it worked.

It's stil the highest grossing domestic film of all time.

Now for the next film they let RJ go in a completely different direction and it seems to payed off. We will see what JJ does with the 3rd film

After which I hope to see the next trilogy take us somewhere completely different.

 

I can't really phrase it any differently. The evidence that you're citing is highly subjective. It's therefore probably poor form to use it to draw conclusions on the intent and motivation of a filmmaker. We'll probably just have to agree to disagree.

 

Yeah, but the Chosen One is a status. Not a character.