Amph "What I do is not up to you." - Wonder Woman 1984

This movie is so bad..... and Im so bummed because Im a huge fan of the first one. My expectations were sky high. And then, this happened. OMG. It doesnt exist for me. Im praying that the 3rd entry gets back on track and then Ill watch the first one and the 3rd one while completely skipping this entry. I cant find anything good about it. Sorry to say.

 

Lynda Carter. Loved seeing her.

 

The first one was already overrated: a truly mediocre film with carboard characters, poorly written dialogue, a stupid plot and the most boring villain in the last 2 decades of big budget comic book superhero movies, with the whole project draped in emperor's new clothes style feminism in a wildly successful con job to make it critic-proof.

 

I'm not sure which one is Thor 2, is that the one with Jeff Golblum? Agree it's pretty terrible, but I definitely didn't see Antman 2. Wonder Woman and Iron Man 2 is a fair comparison. Two movies that don't distinguish themselves in any way from anything else in the genre that also doesn't stand out. An unseasoned superhero porridge with nothing on the side.

 

Meltstick? But those aren't meltstick worthy posts.

 

Can someone get Patty Jenkins to explain to Zack Snyder how to do an action scene.

 

I disagree - yes, David Thewlis and the final battle scene felt out of place. Otherwise, the movie is pretty well done. Great action scenes: Filmed right, not too long or hectic like you get in the MCU where every final battle is a ball-numbing 30 minutes of stuff flying around the screen. Gadot and Pine work beautifully together. Its a great origin film, IMO.

 

Guillermo Alejandro Grispo choreographed the fights scenes in Wonder Woman and Snyder's DC films.

 

The truck chase in WW84 was almost as good as anything in the first Wonder Woman (but the no man's land scene is still like one of the best DCEU action scenes ever) I like the opening Mall scene brawl because it as a very wry funny campy tone to it. The Cheeta/Wonder Woman finale battle was a bit of a letdown, I liked the Aries fight in WW84 that everyone rags on better.

 

And did he choreograph the CGI ?

 

Guillermo Alejandro Grispo did not choreograph the CGI. One of the biggest complaints of the 2017 Wonder Woman film was the CGI in the final battle of the film.






The CGI in Wonder Woman 1984 doesn't look like an improvement.



At least Wonder Woman didn't have to fight a smoke cloud monster at the end of the film of Wonder Woman 1984, but the wind broke by Maxwell Lord knocked her down. No fight choreography needed for the climatic ending of Wonder Woman 1984.

 

My point is that a lot of people are involved in an action scene but ultimately it's orchestrated by the director , and I much prefer Patty Jenkins results . Snyder overdoes everything, too much slow-mo , and the CG dynamics just look phony .
For me the Mall fight, Whitehouse fight and the truck chase in WW84 are all way better than any of the action in JL.

 

I was surprised they didn't end the film with a close up shot of Lex's feet going up the steps of his yacht in super slo-mo. Cuz that would add drama and make the critics take a comic book movie srsly, yo.

 

Now WB have publicly acknowledged the "Snyderverse" is dead. OK
But to everyone who got surprised about the end of Snyder run with DC i personelly believe that this movie, WonderWoman84, was a very early indication they ere moving in a diferent direction.
Heck, this movie, in the end when Diana adresses the world about the danger of the wishes, contradicts directly Batman's quote in Justice League that WW was in hiding since the 1910's.
In the end i take this movie now as an early eulogy to the Snyderverse.

 

I think if you're a person living in the world of WW84 and you made a wish that your child was no longer in a wheelchair and you took that wish back for the betterment of society because a person on TV told you, then the last thing you're worrying about is some lady dressed up in red, blue, and yellow.

At this point, making the DCEU to connect and make any sense would be as futile as doing that exercise with all the current X-men movies.

 

I think the film establishes that even benevolent wishes have a serious downside. Not too firmly though because wishing a wheelchair bound child could walk again would probably have some horrible side effect that leads to renouncing that wish. Steve is basically the representation of what a "good" wish would do although not quite as harsh as what it could be.

 

The film is good but it could be better.

It's a flawed sequel but it wasn't as bad as the internet suggests.

That they go with a reality re-write to handwave away the biggest problems, like that bedroom sequence that raises all kinds of seriously problematic questions, is its buggest flaw. The other defence that they were following 80s culture? Whatever PR person signed that off should resign.

Outside of that it had some well-executed sequences. I liked how Lord became more and more a demonic monkey as he descended into greater acts of villainy. Cheetah tends to embody the outlook Lord advocates, of it being her "turn" and screw everyone else.

That said, this is a superhero movie. Don't expect it to be that interested in looking at where that thinking comes from or what would be required to change it for the better.

 

One thing I thought it did well was to show the motivations of the 'bad guys.' They didn't set out to be villains, but their own fears led them to craving more and more power. Lord got to the brink and realized where he was going and what he stood to lose before he pulled back. Barbara became addicted to the power, not realizing she didn't need it to have what she wanted. That is her tragedy, I think.