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CT what is so great about ESB ?

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by cantthinkofone, Dec 15, 2021.

  1. Darth Dnej

    Darth Dnej Jedi Master star 4

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    Character-building
    Better locations than the original film. Space and aboard the Death Star (and other ships) take up over a third of the run-time. And we only see the surface of two planets/moons. Tatooine and Yavin IV. We have Hoth (ice/snow/mountains), Dagobah (swamp), and Bespin (gas planet with a floating city). Plus, we still get ships plus an asteroid field.
    One of the best lightsaber duels in the saga
    A legendary musical score.
    That's just a few things.
     
  2. FightoftheForgotten

    FightoftheForgotten Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    No one is going to waste their time typing out THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION for every post. It's implied; just move past it.
     
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  3. IJjones41

    IJjones41 Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Ah . . . no, it's not really implied. Not to me.
     
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  4. FightoftheForgotten

    FightoftheForgotten Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Well, it is to everyone else. So, this seems like more of a YOU issue and less of a FORUM issue.
     
  5. Jo Lucas

    Jo Lucas Jedi Master star 4

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    I haven't seen it in a while, but to put it simply: it's more mature than ANH and it builds upon the characters we saw in the last movie.

    I probably need to watch it again though.
     
  6. christophero30

    christophero30 Chosen One star 9

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  7. dolphin

    dolphin Chosen One star 5

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    It’s the most spiritual of the OT films. It builds on the mysticism hinted at in ANH. This element is what makes Star Wars, not Star Trek.
     
  8. SateleNovelist11

    SateleNovelist11 Force Ghost star 6

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    I agree. That said, I believe ROTJ is spiritual in its own right. But I get what you're saying. To me, I look at TESB and ROTJ in more of a Mahayana Buddhist light. But I can also see it from a Leftist Christian vantage point, as well.
     
  9. dolphin

    dolphin Chosen One star 5

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    Indeed. Agreed. I can see it from a Conservative Christian vantage point as well. I believe Lucas pulled from many sources and inspirations.
     
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  10. Skywalker_Luke

    Skywalker_Luke Jedi Knight

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    You can still be a kid of the ST and love the OT- I am. So I don't understand what you're saying, but ok :)

    I first watched ANH -my very first experience watching Star Wars. It was intriguing right from the start. Great adventure and characters. Then I watched TESB, and it focused more on the already existing characters -gave more background information and was character driven. Darth Vader had alot more screen time, there was romance/banter, adventures, new characters were introduced into the movies (Yoda, Lando & Boba) that people (my family and friends) still to this day know- even if they're not fans of SW.
     
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  11. Tosche_Station

    Tosche_Station Jedi Master star 2

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    The bolded part definitely. I've sometimes wondered why Lucas decided to take out the political situation and the Rebel Vs. Empire subplot from the story, both things that did however feature in Leigh Brackett's draft of the script. I understand that her script had issues - lessened dramatic 'stakes' and such - but I don't know that taking out or subduing those two plot-points served the next film (or the trilogy as a whole) very well. edit: Maybe he felt it was necessary in order to focus more on the character development aspect. [face_thinking]
     
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  12. christophero30

    christophero30 Chosen One star 9

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    This post gives me hope for today's youth. :)
     
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  13. Anakin_ Skywalker

    Anakin_ Skywalker Jedi Youngling

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    The whole movie is just a masterpiece! If you want to see a movie in space that has adventure, it's character driven, the visionary aspect, the music, the introduction of new characters that are iconic. One sentence that changed everything. I mean, what's NOT to love about it!

    I get we all have different opinions, (duh) :) , but I'm also a child of PT- and the OT is just outstanding with this movie as the cherry on top of a mountain of what's good for you- in my book :)
     
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  14. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 7

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    It's great because it's almost as good as Rogue One. ;)
     
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  15. AndyLGR

    AndyLGR Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    There was a similar thread to this about 5 years ago too.

    Everything about it is great from the story, expanding the universe and mythology of SW, the characters seem more rounded and how they seemed to mature in this film, the performances of everyone, the razor sharp script, the cinematography, its got one of the best scores ever, some of the best sets and effects (both visual and sound) and there are so many memorable scenes that we quote even now.

    It set the bench mark for sequels and looking back set the trend for trilogies and stories that leave threads open for the third act. Up until then I think that in the main most blockbuster sequels didn't progress things or attempt to change up the formula from the first film like Empire did. Groundbreaking.
     
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  16. Tosche_Station

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  17. TFWBWYA

    TFWBWYA Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
    ESB is extremely overrated. It's still a good movie. However, I prefer Return of the Jedi much more than ESB with Star Wars (1977) in first place. I know we all have different tastes, but I am astounded that ESB is held in such high regard.
     
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  18. Paleof

    Paleof Jedi Knight star 1

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    Tbh, I don't really get why it's considered "the best SW film," (I would rank it 5th or 6th) but it's a great film all the same. It expands the universe, offers cool twists, has great character moments and visuals. It's a classic for a good reason, I just wish other great SW films were also held in such high regard.
     
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  19. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Chosen One star 6

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    ESB's status is never going away , it's just magnificent .
     
  20. Yanksfan

    Yanksfan Force Ghost star 5

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    I love ESB the best. I've watched it more than any other SW film. I like the character development, you meet Yoda, John Williams is at the peak of powers with this score---its sooooo good. I think all the of the original big 3 give their best performances in this movie as well. I don't know. It feels like an "adult" SW movie. I love ti. Plus, Han and Leia are scorching. I'm sorry, those two could sit in a room reading the phone book to each other and it would be hot. I also appreciate the darker tone. I don't know, if you don't get it, you don't get it. And that's fine. But this film will always be my favorite.
     
  21. cantthinkofone

    cantthinkofone Jedi Knight star 2

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    doesnt matter which film a person like best, john williams best work featured in TPM. Duel of the Fates is light years beyond any other star wars track. the track with the most expressive for its scene is Battles of the Heroes.
     
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  22. Yanksfan

    Yanksfan Force Ghost star 5

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    No doubt that was one thing I actually loved about TPM, but it's not my personal favorite. Not by far. But people's tastes differ. And that's fine,
     
  23. Olag_Greck

    Olag_Greck Jedi Youngling

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    Because it had AT-AT's, and a chase scene in an asteroid field, and bounty hunters and the first major cliffhanger that had you waiting and anticipating for 3 years. How are they going to rescue Han? Who is the other hope of the galaxy mentioned by Yoda? What does Darth Vader look like under that mask? Who is the emperor? So many questions. 3 years was too long when you are 12.
     
  24. cantthinkofone

    cantthinkofone Jedi Knight star 2

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    not at all. cliffhangers were used even in early movies. just 1 example, there used to be 'Serial' genre of movies which included cliffhangers as well.

    dont look for "first" in star wars because ill doubt you will find any. every star wars movies pushed or improved or inspired something, but 'first' ? nope.
     
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  25. I Are The Internets

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    It (arguably) has the best score by John Williams.