Saga What is the legacy of Qui-Gon Jinn?

He was an architect that just needed that extra help from someone. Part 1 was starting the clone wars to get a loyal army and a lot of power, by manipulating the senate. Part 2 was having anakin save him and allowing the galactic empire to exist for some time.

Also, if Luke and Leia never existed, Anakin wouldn't have created the empire, because the only reason he saved Palps from windu was to get the power of the darkside to save padme who was pregnant with luke and leia. The galaxy would have been better if Luke and Leia were never born.

 

Shmi's non-abortion was a direct non-action to a not-yet-but-about-to-be baby.

 

Yes, it is. Nothing is direct in your argument.

 

Who agrees with me about Luke and Leia?

 

Does anyone else agree with me that the Seperatist idea was not a good idea? If i made the prequels, the clone wars/main conflict that helped Palps rise to power would be an intergalactic invasion.

 

You just agreed with me that the Empire would have formed regardless of whether Anakin had been brought to Coruscant or not.

That was the entirety of my point -- that Qui-Gon shouldn't be blamed because Palpatine was perfectly capable of forming the Empire without Anakin's involvement. The way things played out, Anakin was involved because Palpatine wanted to turn him, but he didn't need to be.

 

But that came in later EU! The prequels shouldn't copy the EU.

I think Anakin would have tried to save Padme even if she were pregnant with Amy and Anakin Jr. But if Anakin had kept it where it belonged (according to the Jedi) and Padme didn't get pregnant (unless those invaders invaded her body without her consent), Sids might have given her an inoculation of some germ that Anakin could fear would take her life.

 

Was anakin's fall to the darkside predestined, regardless of Padme having luke and leia?

 

No. He chose to fall because the dark offered him what he wanted and the light denied it. He wanted Padme to live; he wanted to be sure he never again lost anything he loved.

 

I guess luke and leia's very existence turned anakin to the darkside? Evil twins.

 

Nope; not evil twins, because as you said about Qui-Gon, if Anakin had only used protection he wouldn't be worried about Padme dying in childbirth. But then she agreed to marry him, and out of marriage comes marital relations, and sometimes protection fails and - it was Obi-Wan's fault for allowing Anakin to escort Padme back to Naboo, but wait, Dooku took Anakin's arm which laid him up in the first place but then Qui-Gon's death was the final straw that led to Dooku's leaving the Order, so one might blame Maul, but then Obi-Wan sliced and diced Maul too late to save Qui-Gon because of those stupid laser gates so perhaps technology is at fault...

 

I will let the eminently reasonable Miles Edgeworth reply for me here:





No, seriously, it's been fun but...I think I've reached the limit of where logic can take me. And I honestly don't want to see the end point of this conversation.

 

And here the fun ends...

 

*Sigh* Again?

 

If anakin didn't block mace windu's lightsaber, would palpatine have survived?

 

Another thing, Luke and leia were not nessecary to defeat the empire, nor was anakin. Anakin turning against palpatine, inspired by Luke, in the ROTJ final duel had little-no effect on the outcome of the final battle.

Also, if padme never had luke and leia, would anakin have become darth vader?

 

Without Luke and Leia - and no Padme-as-wife - Anakin may have fulfilled the prophecy and destroyed Sids years earlier - meaning no Empire at all. For every hypothetical, there's a long line of possibilities and probabilities.

 

Luke and leia should never existed in the first place; it would've been better for the galaxy. They're the reason Anakin became darth Vader and the galactic empire existed! They didn't even "save" the galaxy. The rebels overthrew the empire.

That's why I like the prequels. They make luke and leia responsible for the bad things that happened in the saga, good character development.

 

Do you think the Rebels, once they had some control, should have banished or exiled Luke and Leia to the Outer Rim because of their responsibility for everything that happened?

 

No. They were not responsible, from a moral point of view. If someone unknowingly causes something bad to happen, they are not responsible then. Luke and leia had no intention of anakin being vader. But their very existence caused that.

 

Well, I'm sure they exist because Anakin and Padme had relations, so their existance can be blamed on their parents.

 

Correct.

 

If anakin never broke the jedi code and got into the romeo and juliet relationship with padme, he never would've become darth vader, empire would not have existed. I'm not making it up. George lucas said that anakin and padme's relationship had "Ramifications for the entire galaxy".

 

Indeed.

 

So would the galaxy have been better off if Luke and Leia never existed?