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Discussion in 'Community' started by Outsourced, May 6, 2020.

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What flavor of leftie are you?

  1. Centrist Marxism

    25.0%
  2. Eco-Anarchism

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Democratic Socialism

    26.9%
  4. Eco-Marxism

    9.6%
  5. Council Communism

    7.7%
  6. Anarcho-Communism

    1.9%
  7. Market Anarchism

    5.8%
  8. Orthodox Marxism

    1.9%
  9. Left-Wing Nationalism

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Left Communism

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. Social Democracy

    13.5%
  12. Utopian Socialism

    7.7%
  13. Marxism-Leninism

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Outsourced

    Outsourced Force Ghost star 5

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  2. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP

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    Closest match Councilism, next closest matches Orthodox Marxism (99.4%) and Left Communism (95.1%).

     
  3. Outsourced

    Outsourced Force Ghost star 5

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    As you can see by my results, I too and a person of culture.
     
  4. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP

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    It's kind of weird this quiz gave you councilism with such a high electoral score you FILTHY OPPORTUNIST. :p

    Then again I got a pretty high leftcom match despite my final "party" tally being pretty ambivalent (I think only like 56% pro-party? That's like their entire gimmick!) so they're obviously making some generous allowances in the matches.
     
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  5. Outsourced

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    They even say on the tin that this is still very much a work in progress with a lot more specific ideologies coming at some point.. But I figured it was a good opportunity anyway now that the current political climate has sufficiently radicalized me to find some of my fellow lefties. :p
     
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  6. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP

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    It's a cute idea for a quiz but I guess my brain is broken because I kept expecting memes. "Armchairs are good." "Potential threats should be eliminated via icepick." "The gold standard is important for some reason I cannot articulate." "Bread must be conquered at all costs."
     
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  7. DarthPhilosopher

    DarthPhilosopher Force Ghost star 6

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    "Centrist Marxism"

    I'd describe myself as a Social Democrat.
     
  8. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP

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    I feel like that's going to overwhelmingly be the case with that random inclusion. Yet I can't help but hope that somewhere, some person is going to get Centrist Marxist and shed a single tear onto their antique USPD party badge.
     
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  9. vncredleader

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    Funnily enough I retook this quiz a few weeks back. I forget what I got though

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    I was 98% Orthodox-Marxism
    91% Left-Communism
    82% Council Communism
    etc

    Honestly shocked I was only 69 and 68% for Centralization and Party respectively. I think some of the questions are simplistic or ill defined, but broadly yeah this makes sense. It would be cool if they had one of those charts that places figures on it, cause there are a lot of people with the same type of communism who would be different as a result of time and place.

    Like I maintain that the Leninist view is that the needs of the USSR are distinct and other revolutions are not bound to them. Materialism by its very nature supports that, so the Orthodox-Marxist position as the quiz views it, can pretty broadly include several others just depending on their circumstances.

    I was reading up on Lenin's view of the Easter Rising the other day and this stood out in particular https://www.rbth.com/history/326719-1917-bolshevik-revolution-ireland
    I really recommend reading the short article, Lenin's relationship to Ireland is really neat, and there is a cool cameo by a british communist who I did not expect. Plus its just a really cute story frankly
     
  10. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Force Ghost star 6

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    Council 94.1
    Orthodox Marxism 89.1
    Left Wing Nationalism 83.5
    Left Communism 82.1
    Centrist Marxism 78.7
    Eco-Anarchism 72.5
    Anarcho-Communism 61.6
    Democratic Socialism 52.6
    Marxism-Leninism 19.7
    Social Democracy 11.9
    Utopian Socialism 7.2
    Market Anarchism 0


    As always tricky phrasing made me hesitate and moderate my stances.
     
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  11. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    Same. It honestly has gotten better. Like Outsourced said, it is a work in progress. I've taken it a few times and generally get the same results IIRC, but each time the percentages make a bit more sense for everything else

    edit: oh and did anyone else put on some music to get in the headspace?

    cause i did
     
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  12. DarthPhilosopher

    DarthPhilosopher Force Ghost star 6

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    I honestly hadn't heard of it before.

    The differences between Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism also seems to be oddly put.
     
  13. Ramza

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    It's important if you're trying to understand the political dynamics of post-World War I Germany and... um... I dunno, probably something in Britain. But in an era of unironic Posadist revivals on the internet it's telling that nobody's out there claiming to be the legitimate ideological heir of the third, least Liebknecht.
     
  14. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Mine wouldn’t save in one screenshot, maybe because I’m on my iPad.
     
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  15. vncredleader

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    It would be interesting to examine why there is not really a "Luxemburgist" movement. Yeah the term socdem has lost all meaning cause no one wants to touch that, if they do the correct response to them is "socdems murdered Rosa you sick ****""

    Social democrat when Rosa talks about it also is not our modern convention. Why we haven't tried to better update and redefine these terms I do not know
     
  16. DarthPhilosopher

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    Uh, significant portions of Die Linke...

    Also, is a Marxist-Leninist really calling out Social Democrats for "murder" :p
     
  17. Ramza

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    Eh, I think that's much more the old DDR tradition of propping her up as a martyr for the cause rather than any actual political force. Her analyses were incorporated by sympathetic currents where applicable and now she's just yet another old ghost haunting the left.
     
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  18. Lordban

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  19. DarthPhilosopher

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    There's not really many factions in Die Linke who are more ideologically aligned with her? I mean the old DDR definitely just used her for her death, but I would have thought there would be genuine Luxemburgist factions in DL now that it's a really broad tent.
     
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  21. vncredleader

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    Yes, cause socdems have given nothing else to the cause but literally helping the foundations of Nazism. Also I know I've been over this before, but Marxist-Leninist does not mean stalinist, oh and I assume you can read so did you not see I ended up with orthodox-Marxist? Like on this literal page you can see that am more Leninist than ML. I am not super happy I got low on ML, but as I said above, MLism if we take it as following Lenin and going from there and not just deciding that "well stalin coined it for himself to legitimize his usurping of a position Lenin did not want him to have" then yeah murdering fellow revolutionaries in cold blood is not a good thing.

    I don't get why you think the same stupid, nonsensical joke is so funny, it was cute the first 4 times but now it is just the equivalent to "icepick" trotsky jokes from tankies, or the intellectual equivalent of "Nazis are socialist it says it in the name"

    Lenin was against assassinations if his sister is to be believed about what he said when their brother was executed for an attempted assassination.
    Murder is not the same as killing, and even joking that they are the same is stupid
    Of course I don't like murder, but even then that is not the problem with socdems, it is that they murdered their own allies and turned away allowing what would become the Gestapo to butcher their former comrades. Killing the Tsar's family is not the same as hiring fascists to execute revolutionaries. I don't believe in the "propaganda of the deed".

    The act itself is never good, but is sometimes tragically acceptable, the ACT is not the problem as I am sure you know full well, the problem is who they killed and why. Rosa was ideologically right and fighting for freedom, of course I find her murder wrong. It is not that it was murder that makes it so wrong more than any other murder, it is who it was. You support Lincoln I take it? Well then it is rich from you to even complain about rights being removed cause he suspended habeus corpus? Oh what's that? context is a thing that exists as is ideology? hm not sure I believe that, must be binary

    Or are you gonna scold me and compare executing Batista's men with the execution and torture of a revolutionary feminist? Lenin and Chavez are my heroes, last I checked they did not hire fascists to execute Rosa to cease the revolution. Hell I'd give Robespierre more of a benefit of the doubt cause he legit believed he was keeping the revolution intact, socdems have one contribution to the history of revolution, and that is getting fascists to massacre revolutionaries and doom the world to the nazis being able to form and gain momentum.

    Say what you will about Lenin, he contributed positive things and didn't just do.....well that colossal mess. Like you can lie Grant and still call out the British for putting down the Easter Rising. Just cause both technically "put down rebellions" does not make them the same, nor is it hypocritical to differentiate

    I'd say get better material, but that presupposes that you HAVE any material to begin with.I know I have a stick up my butt, however its the same stick and it was never really entertaining or valuable. I am not married to Marxist leninism regardless, almost like I believe the thing I said about material conditions of revolutionaries and why I like Lenin in the first place.
     
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  22. Ramza

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    There are probably honest-to-god Luxemburgists in Die Linke but none of the major platforms actually checks all the boxes, no. The impression I get from Germans I know is that despite all the broad posturing it's much more "West German reformers" and "East German crypto-Stalinists" with the obligatory small smattering of Trotskyist fronts that are definitely going to radicalize the party to the great ideals of the Fourth International any day now, guys.
     
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  23. vncredleader

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    It would be just their luck if they established it, and then corona happened.
     
  24. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP

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    "We did it comrades, our grand plot to convert Die Linke to sweet, sweet Trotskyism is in place. Soon we will represent all correct facets of left-wing thought: Bolshevism, democracy even with Bolshevism somehow, newspaper sales, the gold standard. The only thing that could possibly stop us now is if our entryist party split due to a pandemic, but what are the odds?!"
     
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  25. Sarge

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    Utopian Socialism
    Utopian Socialism is a form of pre-Marxist socialism that believes highly in an egalitarian, moralistic and idealistic foundation for a socialist society. Utopian Socialists generally reject violent revolution and often believe the ruling class can be convinced to adopt socialism.

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