What would have happened if the Jedi never tried to oust Palpatine?

Would he still have tried to get rid of them by using Order 66 or would he kept them around?

How would the rise of the Empire have happened in such a case or would there still be the Galactic Republic (If only by the name)?

Would be interesting to hear about the chain of events in both continuities (Canon and Legends).

 

He knew that the Jedi would never just let him rule as a Sith Lord though. Like, clearly that was never an option, they were going to move against him at some stage regardless and then Order 66 could happen

 

But would he have waited until they started to rise against him or would he eventually have made the first move?

And in the second case how would he done it, if the Jedi still were in line with him?

 

I think it's a moot question because he knew that wouldn't have come to pass. In the incredibly unlikely event that the Jedi didn't resist him at any stage then maybe they weren't actually even a threat and he could just use them for whatever purposes he wanted

 

Wouldn't be the first time, according to Legends, for something like that to happen (Pius Dea Era).

 

The rise of the Empire hinges on the Jedi being taken out of the picture. If they never go after him - which is impossible to begin with - he would simply present it as the Jedi plotting too overthrow him, instead of using an actual attempt to take him into custody as "proof". Plenty of dictators have used the "they were about to go after me!" as an excuse for an pre-emptive strike.

The entire Clone Wars existed exclusively to put Palpatine into a position where he assembled all the power he needed, and got the means to take out the Jedi, as the Jedi were the only thing that could challenge his rule. The Jedi would never have been in line with him. Therefore he would have moved against them if an opportune moment would have come. Or, if necessary, he would have created a situation that would have led to such a moment.

 

Just wondering what would happen, if against all odds, the Jedi kept their feet still and played along.

Would he really manifacture false proof or bring around a situation, just to have an excuse for a purge?

 

No false proof required. He would simply continue to amp up his audacious acts of evil until they felt compelled to respond.

Order 66 was the trap he prepared. It would spring whenever he gave the command. It could have happened as early as Geonosis if the Jedi were sufficiently weary of him. As it was, throughout the war, Palps made a series of grabs for power, each making the jedi increasingly uncomfortable.

As it was, by Ep3, the jedi were clearly hoping to end the war in a stroke...not so much to stop the Separatists, but to stop Palpatine's grabs for more power.

The real question in this series of events involves Anakin...was the revelation of Palps Sithiness to Anakin a tool to turn him...or...was the revelation more about getting Anakin to squeal on him to the Jedi and push them over the edge to act, and thus allow him to trigger Order 66 before the war ended?

Somehow, I think what Palpy really needed coming out of Anakin's discovery of Darth Sidious, was the jedi to fall into his trap.

The fact that Anakin then does a double somersault into the darkside is only a huge bonus to the scheme.

It really was the last chance Palps had. If the war had ended before Order 66 was carried out, he would lose his thousands of soldiers around each Jedi. It would not have been as effective.

 

Yep. An excuse would be found one way or another. The Jedi were a rival power centre and dictatorships cannot allow those to exist.

 

If he was more patient and kept playing his role as the kind and wise Chancellor, Palpatine could have keep on deceiving the Jedi for a very long time and eventually have corrupted a very big part of the Order.

 

The sense we get in RotS is that Sidious clearly relished losing the mask, so I don't think that was ever on the cards.

 

This topic reminds me of other cases and scenarios where the Jedi and Sith acted different:

KOTOR 2: The Jedi disbanding officially on their own (ok it was a ruse to lure out the Sith that failed epically)
TOR: The Jedi Council bowing to the Sith wishes after the sacking of Coruscant and leaving for Tython.

And potentially Sith ruling the galaxy and Jedi under Sith rule trying to do the best without getting on their to kill list as in Lucas ideas about the NSW era from Archives the Prequels talk about Jedi and Sith origin.

 

He could declare the Empire without wiping out the Jedi. Assuming they don't resist him even then and just roll with it, Palpatine would keep pushing until they basically become Imperial Knights. He might even decide to impose his own Grandmaster (Anakin). Its hard to believe the PT Jedi would just roll with all of that rather than attempting to remove him. If such a thing gets that far, its possible the Jedi are split between Imperial loyalist Jedi that do go along with Palpatine, essentially being the same thing as Inquisitors, just slightly nicer (at first, until Palpatine training eggs them on) and the regular Jedi who go into exile to somewhere like Ossus or Tython, deciding to take their operations outside of the new Empire's reach.

 

I don't know.

By the time of LEGACY, the Imperial Knights make a little more sense just because of the nature of a century of fighting between force users on all sides.

For Palpatine, a major part of his "rise" to power was through the deterioration of power and prestige of the Jedi. Their capability, both to use the force and to keep the peace, were woefully inadequate to the challenge faced. This was Palpatine's doing.

This increasingly makes the idea of the Jedi outmoded, and the galaxy embraces large military force as a stabilizing alternative. And who leads that force?

A mutually exclusive philosophy develops as to governance and peacekeeping between the Jedi and the PEOPLE of the Republic. The people saw the Jedi fail them, and the clones protect them, and Palpatine lead them.

So when the moment comes that the Jedi must act to protect the galaxy against the more ancient enemy, now revealed, the people of the galaxy (or at least the power brokers of the galaxy) barely bat an eye at the Jedi's "treachery", and cheer furiously to exchange their will for the Imperial safety blanket.

 

Yep. Similar how the Contispexes run things during the Pius Dea Era. Perhaps he would even keep the name of the Galactic Republic, while practically changing everything as he wants. With him having the same political power as he had as the emperor but still going by the title of supreme chancellor.

 

Imagine the Jedi leaving the galaxy fully to the Sith... would there have been peace and order Sith style? No Rebellions, no infighting? 1984 style total control peace?

The Jedi becoming monks again, inactive, meditating, only caring about the Force and themselves but no meddling on anybodys behalf anymore, no defending others?

Would the galaxy slip into infighting and chaos, superweapons and massdestruction and the Jedi not reacting, even as people come begging to their remote meditation refuge? Reclusive masters, silent, apprentices who run off to change things considered lost, not followed up on. Apprentices applying to learn from them facing long, patient tests of admission, having to wait for months before their gates in meditation, etc.

Kinda Bendu style in Rebels.

And once they return, after almost having been forgotten, become a myth to the wider galaxy, they return with such godly powers no myth ever could ascribe to them. The Sith too weak having never had to fight any Forceusers for generations but their own. And then the Jedi leave again as if they never existed but a free galaxy has to deal with what to do now themselves. No Jedi intent to stay for protection, ruling or else.

PS: actually such a story could work for an way earlier era... namely that of the Celestials that ascended to become gods but to do that left the galaxy ripe for others to take, like the ancient ancient Sith, Rakata and else.

 

I'm inclined to think the Sith are far too messy to produce anything as efficient as an Ingsoc regime.

 

Indeed and in that case there'd be the Jedi absent, but a new light born from the Sith's darkness that willtake them on. Imagine future Jedi just being one of many Force cults in the galaxy and no longer the prominent Jedi and a new such cult risen to have freed the galaxy? With Jedi warning them that now they freed it, they will have to be careful not to doom it... or repeat their enemies mistakes.

 

Palpatine was absolutely going to eradicate the Jedi, no matter what. That they tried to oust him was a trigger at best, or more likely a convenient pretext that he brought about intentionally.

Knowing Palpatine, he probably had multiple contingency plans for getting rid of the Jedi, of which Order 66 was just one. If Order 66 hadn't been convenient (e.g. because he expected too much of a backlash from people he still needed), he could have orchestrated and aided a CIS eradication campaign against the Jedi - after all, he did control both sides of the war and probably could have given the CIS the resources and intelligence to succeed in killing most of the Jedi. If that hadn't worked either, he might have engineered a split within the order (which the Clone Wars were pushing it close to anyway) and fan the conflict until most of the Jedi had killed each other off. And/or he could have prolonged the war and forced the Jedi into ever more impossible choices until all of them (or nearly all) fell to the Dark Side. Or... whatever. He would have found a way.

 

Based on knight errant, and the general operations of Sith Empires in general, I think a Sith ruled galaxy would more be like a massive feudal system, one with political treachery and internal warfare to make the Holy Roman Empire blush. Individual domains might be like you describe, but the whole system would undoubtedly be one of chaos and strife.

 

What the Sith have always reminded me of the most (at least when they're out in the open like in Knight Errant) is simply warlords. No real ideology beyond might-makes-right, just a scumbag with a gaggle of armed followers and no higher authority to keep them in place. They'll at times aspire to be something as organized as a feudal system, but they'll usually fail in anything but the short term, and their default state is something like Afghanistan between the Soviet withdrawal and the Taliban takeover.

Or, to stay within the realm of sci-fi, like the Australian Outback in the days of the Humungus or Immortan Joe.

(Ironically, the warlord era between the death of Palpatine and Vader at Endor, and the restoration under Daala and Pellaeon at Tsoss Beacon, is probably the most Sith-like the Empire ever was. It's kind of funny that Darth Bane created a Rule of Two to prevent the Sith from falling to infighting as they previously had, and the new order was so wildly successful it eventually created an empire that ruled the entire galaxy... only to see it go to pieces in exactly the same way the old Sith empires did, without even needing any Sith to make that happen).

 

I wonder what would have happened if Anakin didn’t tell anyone that Palpatine is Sidious. What would happen when Windu, instead of pulling out his lightsaber and arresting Palpatine, told Palpatine to discuss the future of “emergency powers” with the Senate?

 

Claim he still needed them to root out another potential rebellion in the Senate? I can't remember if he had any certain knowledge of what Padme, Bail, and Mothma were up to. Or he could have claimed the cleanup work post Grievous' death still needed stronger executive oversight. Think something the USA dividing up the rebel states in the south at the end of the Civil War into military districts with generals in charge. In this hypothetical case, Palpatine could claim his emergency powers were still necessary to maintain effective military oversight.

 

If Palpatine hadn't killed off all the Jedi, then the sith wouldn't have had their revenge. And Palpatine seems like he's a pretty revenge oriented type of guy. I'd say the jedi were going away, no matter what they did.