PT Who really won the Palpatine Mace duel?

@darth-sinister

Of course he knew Anakin will come. He can foresee Vader losing planets away WAY BEFORE it actually happened in Mustafar. Sensing Anakin buildings away and minutes before it happens would be child’s play for him.

He literally communicated through the Force at the Jedi Temple when Mace left him behind there. “You do know, don’t you. If the Jedi DESTROY ME any chance of saving her would be lost.” Making Anakin go. Palpatine’s clairvoyance is second to none that even Vader was in awe of it. And even without clairvoyance, it can be easily deduced by chess master Palpatine because No Palpatine = No Padme. So he had to come.

And Why would Palpatine go all out on Mace when he needed him to look like the victim before Anakin shows up …hence why it’s called a Set Up.

Like I said the only time he got hit was when Anakin was about to enter. UNLIKE when 4-1 where Mace had all the advantage…zero hit…not one. Very fortuitous for Palpatine huh??

 

First off, Palpatine cannot see everything. He didn't see Maul losing to Obi-Wan, much less surviving to become a nuisance later on. He didn't see Padme escaping to Tattooine. He didn't see Anakin being in existence. He didn't see the Invisible Hand almost being completely destroyed. He didn't see the existence of the twins. So on and so forth. There was possible different outcomes. He'll try to push them in the right direction, but there is no guarantee.

Actually, we don't know that it was a telepathic contact. Regardless, Mace is not going there to kill Palpatine. Anakin knows that, but he also is afraid that Palpatine would kill them. He goes there to make sure no one kills each other.

Why fight at all? Why not wait until Anakin shows up? Make look bad then? Palpatine is angry at the Jedi and he's going to take them out. And it can be just as effective looking all powerful by taking out four Masters, and say "This is the power."

 

Just because he couldn’t foresee Maul losing doesn’t mean he couldn’t sense Anakin coming because it’s shown that he could foresee Vader losing planets away. He learned lots of from TPM and by ROTS his manipulations and clairvoyance was at its peak. Vader in ROTJ wouldn’t dare defy him and foreseeing stuff that even surprised Vader.

But let’s just say he couldn’t sense Anakin…all he has to do is prolong the fight until Anakin is outside. Because he knows Anakin has to come because if Palpatine is telling the truth that the Jedi are there not to arrest him but to execute him …then bye bye Padme.

Palpatine:
But your not sure of their intentions are you??

Anakin:
I will quickly discover the truth to all of this.

Yes Anakin wants NO ONE TO KILL EACH OTHER but since Mace told him to stay put….Palpatine’s words gave him a slight doubt that maybe the Jedi were going to assassinate him instead of arresting him. So yeah it’s obviously predictable that he will come Force Clairvoyance or not.

And why fight at all?? To piss Mace off by killing his Jedi friends. But the END GAME was always going to be the victim. And that’s why when Anakin walked in it was CONVENIENTLY Palpatine was on the floor while Mace looking like the aggressor CUE the acting:

“Anankin I told you it would come to this!! I was right the Jedi are taking over!!”

But Mace was still doing the right thing by still going with arrest. So Palpatine did his lightning to begging routine. Boom Check Mate.

From the full script before Palpatine obliterated the 3 Jedi Masters:


Palpatine:
Resist? How could I possibly resist? THIS IS MURDER, You Jedi TRAITORS! How can I be a THREAT TO YOU??!! HELP!! Security!! HELP ME!! MURDER!! Treason!!

Does that sound like a guy who wants to win the lightsaber duel?? That’s a guy who is planning to be the victim in the first place.

What does he gain if Anakin walks in on 4 Dead Jedi Masters??? Nothing…it will be square one all over again. Anakin is still not choosing..he’s still on the fence…and still there to arrest Palpatine.

It’s putting himself in harm’s way to the same Sith moral Jedi that triggered Anakin to finally choose a side.

Anakin will not be impressed by having Palpatine say…look I can kill the Jedi easily!! He wants to save Padme but does not want to be the BAD GUY. So Palpatine finally gave him an out.

 

Will this thread ever die?

 

Guysssss……@sidious and @dart sinister……it is over….you are saying the same things over and over and over again. You are not going to change each other opinions. Move on please.


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Why would we ask @Sidious69 and @darth-sinister to stop their debate? Isn't this what the thread is for? Why patronize the thread if you don't want to read about the topic? This is for love of the game right now. Both titans are going back and forth on their opinions of the fight. I disagree w/ sinister, but enjoy reading his responses. Why aren't you asking @A Chorus of Disapproval to cease spamming the thread with non value adding ping pong stuff (posted multiple times now)?

 

Lighten up, Francis. It was a joke. Some of us have been around since the thread began, and are quite amazed it's still ongoing despite it being resolved that Palps won.

 

The Pong gif is the best part of this.

 

Not until all the Horcruxes have been found and destroyed...wait wrong franchise.

 

Just like Palpatine, this thread will never die.

If people are sick of it then just go to another debate thread.

But yet…everyone is still drawn to it and keeps on coming. If people are really not interested then this thread wouldn’t have lasted this long.

If people really don’t care then this thread would have died long ago ….along with Mace.

 

It's like watching a train wreck.

 

I guess Palpatine thinks he's Dr. Strange: "This time it's gonna take more than killing me to kill me."

Palpatine...or this thread?

 

I always thought it was super obvious that Palpatine threw the fight. The whole point was to tempt Anakin and you could even see, the second he saw Anakin arrive out of the corner of his eye, he suddenly went all super weak. I don't get how Mace could possibly defeat Palpatine either, I mean even Yoda could only tie. Not that Mace didn't do impressively well against him all the same, no match, but a good bit better match than any other non-Yoda Jedi of the time.

 

You didn't see the Palpatine is Sidious and Artoo is a spy debates?

 

Same here. If you want it to end, you know how to



"Stop the madness."

 

Peeps, I’m pretty sure the mods could just lock this thread if they found it tiresome. Methinks they might actually enjoy it to a degree.

(Lightly joking, please don’t ban me )

In all seriousness, I think Palpatine was faking it. If he had wanted to, he could’ve killed Mace right then and there but he needed Anakin to come. This is a man who can sense that Anakin’s in danger from halfway across the galaxy. I’m pretty sure he can sense Anakin’s intentions when he comes into the chamber. He just has to keep playing the helpless victim until Anakin makes his choice. He might have panicked when Mace raised his lightsaber in a ‘Holy ****! Anakin! Act now!’ But beyond that, I think he could sense what Anakin was up to.

 

There you go!! Now we can close the thread. Debate over. The verdict: Palpatine planned to be the victim in the first place.

 

Totally agree with your assessment. It wouldn't have been a good look if Sidious just killed all four Jedi right away right before Anakin showed up. I do think Palpatine was caught a bit off guard with how much of a fight Mace put up, but again, he needed a ploy to help cast him as the victim (and by this point Anakin probably already hated Mace anyways, so that helped). Although was the Force lightning really worth it in the end?

 

Yes. It was that lightning that finally changed Mace from arrest to kill.

It also gave him the excuse to finally take his Palpatine mask off using it as one of the evidences to the Senate for the attempt on his life by the evil Jedi.