ST Who Should Have Been the Main Villain in Episode IX?

No, I wanted him to be disgustingly resurrected like the villain from the original Hellraiser.

 

I’d have preferred him as a Sith Spirit pulling strings from beyond the grave like Freedon Nadd and Marko Ragnos.

 

I am grateful Darth Jar Jar got the fewest votes. I can't help but think that would be bad writing.

I think it should have been Kylo Ren. He was the only villain left, so maybe they could have worked to build up his antagonism in this movie and perhaps find a way to make him more terrifying once Snoke is dead.

I cannot help all the same but think it might have been interesting if Snoke were to turn out to be Darth Plagueis.

 

It should still have been Palpatine. Which means I would've preferred the ST to have been planned from TFA that Palpatine was the puppet-master to Snoke. Not a Marvel-style end-credits but a final scene of a resurrected Palpatine controlling Snoke from the shadows and mentioned "The Final Order will soon begin".

 

Personally, I liked Palpatine's death in Return of the Jedi.

 

Kylo... just make the first scene of the movie Rey trying to assassinate him and him kicking her butt, mocking her like "you think I was that weak? I played along on Ilum/Starkiller so Snoke would only have eyes for you... so thanks for helping me getting rid of him."

And with that... sloved that "Rey already defeated Kylo he is no threat" problem... then have her train Finn so they can face Kylo together.

 

Finn isn't a rival to Kylo. Neither is Poe.

Yes and no. TROS shows that Ben wasn't a ignoble and loathsome member. What he become was after turning to the dark side. Which is Ben Which is like anyone who turns to the dark side. ignoble and loathsome comes with the package.

As for unworthy of the family name. that's not how it works. the skywalkers are not a name for good. Anakin Skywalker did horrible things. Is he not worthy of being a skywalker?

And i haven't read legends either but i heard that got pretty dark too in the lineage.

Well actually there are many who found him MORE interesting because of what potentially could be going on with him emotionally. Battling demons of any kind make for an interesting watch

 

I think Kylo being the main villain by the end might have been a good way to finally make the trilogy feel different from the Original. And Kylo was the last major Skywalker-related person they could use.

The rest of the time, they could actually make Finn learn to be a Jedi because, to be honest, I think a lot of people found him more relatable than Rey, as well as the only character who did not seem to closely copy an archetype we have had already.

Also, can we remark on how more people voted for Darth Jar Jar than a Vader clone?

 

Darth Darth Binks FTW!

 

Him.

 

If I was writing the entire ST myself, the big bad would be a cosmic horror who would be revealed to have corrupted the very first Sith. Maybe they would take the form of Sidious, Vader, and Maul throughout the trilogy.

 

i would pick plpatine because thats his character he likes power and is a good mainpulator

 

But he's a bad manipulator in TROS.

 

i wouldn't say so lol but we all have opinions

 

He basically tells Rey that he's going to posses her and then tries to play it like she can have the power to save her friends if she lets him possess her.

 

That doesn't really say bad manipulator just means hes just messing with her since he wants power

 

And he’s going about trying to acquire that power…ineffectively. So, not good at manipulation.

 

He never says that he will possess her. What he says is that he and all other Sith spirits will live on in her as they now live in him, clearly implying that she will be in control.
That said, she probably senses the lie. Not least because he's been playing the family card while twirling his moustache right in front of her.

 

He literally says, "my spirit will pass into you" and then, according to the transcript I'm reading, after he talks about the sith spirits says, "we will be one". How is that not possession?

 

The only person Palps manipulates in the ST is Supreme Moron Kylo Ren. Rey isn't fooled by anything he says, which changes from line to line, scene by scene in the movie. And the galaxy certainly isn't fooled by anything he says, which is pretty much an invitation to finally give a hoot about the FO and fight him/them for once.

Palpatine is so bad at his machinations, that he's beaten a day after he makes his radio broadcast.

Everything in this damn trilogy happens in a weekend.

 

Rey isn't fooled by Palpatine because Palpatines plan was never to fool Rey. The plan was pretty simple, she is there to kill him so he can take her body. And while the logic is a bit confusing, She infact was gonna kill him before Ben showed up. There was no fooling because it was all pretty simple.

And yes palpatine was trying to fool Kylo. But at the same time, Kylo was also not planning on doing what he asked anyway.

But then the logic there gets confusing because in the writing its basically Palpatine is trying to fool Kylo, while Kylo is planning against him, Which is secretly what Palpatine wanted. So he knew Kylo would plan against him and not kill Rey, and that would somehow get her to the planet where he was. Which in theory is certainly a Palpatine type plan. Its just not very well constructed on screen.

 

The logic isn't confusing. It's not even simplistic. It's nonexistent.

The story makes no sense whatsoever. Just story thrown into the scene, that changes by the scene, written by 'creators' whose only desire was to get passed that job.

 

Snoke and Kylo Ren. Have Snoke return and possess Kylo, kill them both with one stone. Throw in a Rey sacrifice while you're at it.