CT Leia Mega-Thread, formerly Why did Princess Leia criticize her "rescue" on the Death Star?

If you were going to rescue her, I'd hope you'd have a plan that didn't amount to:

(1) Impersonate Stormtroopers
(2) Find the cell bay
(3) Shoot up everyone else when they see through your ruse
(4) Release the princess from her cell
(5) See that now half of the section is bearing down your ass
(6) ???
(7) PROFIT!!!

 

I'd think of something

 

Apparently this is how Leia should have been, instead of being her "rude" self.

Han, Luke, Leia and Chewbacca pinned in the Death Star.

Leia (in sqeaky princes Peach voice): Thank you for saving me you big strong men.

Luke: I'm actually not that muscaler but thanks.

Han: Shut up kid, your welcome princes but you do realize where pinned right?

Leia: Oh I'm sure you guys can get us out of here in time for tea.

Luke: Why don't you help us to get out of this mess.

Leia: And break a fingernail? Parish the thought.

Chewy: Raaagh*

Seriously, wouldn't anyone be a bit annoyed if your rescuers didn't have a clue what they were doing?

*translation: Did we have to rescue her?

 

Oh - she forgot her place, eh? What place is that - batting her eyes and effusive thanks?

If a pair of bumbling, clueless, yet male would-be-rescuers, show up and prove themselves incapable of coming up with the next step, it is still imperative that the female would-be-rescuee extend polite and courteous thanks for the brave attempt.

Got to give the girl credit for coming up with an idea - even if in hindsight it may not have been a good idea - at least she had an idea.

 

No-one else is discussing gender. Why is there such a deliberate effort to derail this thread and get it locked? Which has happened to other similar threads. I just want to discuss this particular topic, without the gender nonsense.

 

What should Leia have done? Been a little more of a stoic officer guiding the bumbling trio of idiots to an escape path?

<Detention Facility>
"Good work, but this strategy will result in our deaths. Here, give me that blaster, kid." <pew> "In here! Follow me!"

<Chute>
"Well crap. Hey, let's think this through. Think it through. Kid, do you have a communication device on you per chance?"

<Death Star Hallway>
"Han, I hope you and your friend here have a ship we can get to. Hanger Bay xyz? OK, let's see if there's a way we can get there without fighting half the station."

<Obi-Wan/Vader Fight>
"Get into the ship, boys! Get into the ship!!"

 

One reason we bring up the gender references is because occasionally a poster brings up something along the lines of why does Leia criticize her male rescuers? So it's fair game to say is the criticism of her attitude to her rescuers, or to the males who are (trying) to rescue her? It's an honest and valid question because it really does tie in to if the criticism is gender-based, snark-based, or a combination.

 

Threepio is going by what he sees on the display of the cellbay. If there was another way out, other than the garbage masher, he didn't see it and neither did Artoo. Hence the only other way out is the garbage masher.

And if not for Leia, they'd be dead.

Really? She's the one who got the Death Star plans to the Alliance. She's the one who got Han, Luke and Chewie out of the detention block. She's the one who bought Luke time to get out the grapnel rope. She's the one who turned the Falcon back around to rescue Luke. She's the one who un-thawed Han. She's the one who killed Jabba, thus ending Han's debt to him.

 

What is Han supposed to say? Is he supposed to go Wiseau and say, "You're tearing me apart, Your Worship!"

 

Leia snarking at Luke and Han mid-rescue is, like, my favourite bit of hers in the entire movie. Make me laugh every time. Han totally tries to pass the buck off to Luke with "He's the brains, sweetheart!"

 

Since the DS tractor beam pulled the MF in, the crew had no choice but to improvise their plan. Remember, they were trying to get R2 to Alderaan, never expecting to find it destroyed and that "small moon" over there.
Once they were aboard the DS, it's quite a miracle that any of them made it out alive.
I like Leia's character and her toughness. It was life or death when they were trapped in the cell block. Her last second plan with the trash compacter did get them out of immediate danger and eventually led to the next stage of their escape. It was a team effort, which is one of the themes of ANH, imo. Ben, Leia, Luke, Han, Chewie, R2 and Threepio's combined efforts led to their escape.
I don't get too bogged down with the plausibility of the plots in SW. That can be interesting for a minute, but eventually you can start to dismember the film so much that the fun and enjoyment can be lost. Ever watch a movie with someone and they constantly critique holes in the plot and lack of plausibility and what not? I don't find that to be too much fun. Kinda like Debbie Downer! ANH is escapism. Entertainment. Not fact.
I think Leia Organa is a great character and did the best she could in a life and death situation.

 

It's Leia being sassy.

 

A sense of humor, you may have not.

Plus, Leia is kind of a (expletive) in the first movie. She's supposed to be that way, it's her character. She's used to bossing people around, and she's used to them kissing her behind and doing whatever she tells them. She's a (expletive) on the outside which is why Han can't stand her. But deep inside, she's still a bit vulnerable and has a good heart, which is why Han falls for her too.

 

Why does Leia have to be a bitch? What isn't Han an ass hat? Did it occur to people that you'd insult people who were moronic? I know I would.

 

Well Han is kind of an (expletive) too. Which is why he rubs Leia the wrong way. But deep down, he's a good guy and comes back and saves the Alliance. She falls in love with him. They are similar in that way. But the topic was about Leia, so that's why I discussed her. She's definitely a spoiled little (expletive) in the first movie. But deep down she's good. It's nice to have 3-dimensional characters like that.

 

C3PO didn't have access to the restricted area. The Stormtroopers were coming in from only one direction, and that cell bay corridor seemed to go on forever. If that corridor was explored, there should've been countless of better escape routes. Instead, the Princess got them all trapped in a garbage compactor in which only a massive plot hole could get them out - not the Princess.

If not for Leia, Alderaan would never have been blown up, and the heroes would never be in the predicament of rescuing a Princess who was incapable of even rescuing herself. When heroes rescues you, when you had no chance of surviving, you be grateful. It would be the same as someone being rescued by a big strong fireman. You don't whinge and whine and insult the hero. You stfu and be grateful your life was saved, especially when you were incapable of saving yourself (as the Princess was).

 

I agree, she used the opportunity to get rid of a criminal, who was with a very high probability guilty of prostitution, drug-traffic and other things so disgusting that she would have deserved a medal.

Not too dissimilar to what Kenobi did to Roofoo and "Ponda Baba". Either Kenobi knew that this criminal trio needed to be stopped or he knew from the claim "I have the death sentence in 12 systems" that it was time to bring these lowlife characters to "justice".

 

How is she spoiled?

The corridor doesn't go on. That's why no one runs back that way. All the rest of the way back is nothing but cells and a wall. If there was another way out, we would have seen Stormtroopers and Imperial officers coming from that way. Much less shooting from that way. Someone would have said, "Let's go that way!" The fact that they didn't means that there is no other way out...which is precisely what Threepio said.

Alderaan was ****** because the Empire figured out that Bail was the leader of the Alliance. So it didn't matter what Leia did, its days were numbered. And yes, you would complain. I would complain. I'd call them all dumbasses for not doing a better job. Just like Henry Jones did.

1. Leia was the one who had the code necessary to unlock the data tapes, since Bail and Breha were dead. No one else could hack Artoo's systems.

2. Who delivered Artoo to Yavin 4? Leia did.

3. Who made sure that the Rebels of "Rogue One" who had fought valiantly were able to get the Death Star plans to Yavin? It wasn't them.

Luke was the one who screwed up because he destroyed the controls for the bridge, which resulted in their being trapped. Leia was the one who provided firing cover for Luke, so he doesn't get his ass shot, while he's finding the rope.

Lando was the one who wanted to abandon Luke. Leia said that they're going back and she is the one who told Lando that they were going to do that and that she was the one who was piloting the ship, not Lando.

 

Leia's not in the least bit spoiled, she takes charge and starts giving orders because Alderaanian royalty are the non-ceremonial version. She was raised and trained to be a leader, so she lead. Luke and Han did a pretty decent job of getting IN but quite clearly had no plans to get back OUT. Better to face the unknown future down the hatch than the known future of being shot full of holes by Storm troopers.

 

...OK? What does that prove?

Because being used as a sex slave by a giant alien slug is not an evil thing at all.

He was also trying to save Lando, Han, Chewie, R2 and C-3PO. What's your point here?

 

If you were to go back and read what these responses were to, you'll see what I was trying to prove, and what my point was.

I'm afraid I can't discuss the Jabba - Leia topic. anakinfan edit: Nope. The passive-aggression and baiting stops. The in-thread warning earlier was more than sufficient to explain why the Jabba-Leia topic cannot be discussed.