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CT Why Vader stopped Boba Fett from shooting Chewie ?

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by antitoxicgamer, Sep 27, 2020.

  1. antitoxicgamer

    antitoxicgamer Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Just a question that came to my mind.

    Why Vader didn't allow Boba to shoot Chewie even though Chewie killed or injured 2 stormtroopers in the carbon freezing chamber?

    Did he feared that Han might have jumped in front of Chewie and taken the shot instead ?

    Or he did feel some pity toward Chewie?

    In terms of personality it doesn't makes sense for me since Vader was a ruthless guy that didn't shy away from finding excuses to kill more innocent and defenseless beings.
     
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  2. cubman987

    cubman987 Friendly Neighborhood CT/PT/Saga/Fun & Games Mod star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    He needed them alive still to lure Luke, especially with Han going to Jabba. Leia and Chewie were the two he'd have left if something went wrong on Cloud City and he needed to try and lure to him again.
     
  3. christophero30

    christophero30 Chosen One star 8

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    I agree Vader had a plan. He was smart and wasn't just a ruthless killing machine. I think Vader choking his officers had more to do with his desperation in finding his son in that film. (He thinks Luke is aboard the Falcon.) The bond seems to grow stronger between Vader and Luke after their confrontation on Cloud City, as Vader then senses Luke aboard the Falcon.
     
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  4. BlackRanger

    BlackRanger Jedi Knight star 3

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    Vader being homicidal with Imperial officers is also Lucas and Kasdan reacting IRL to the perceived ineffectual Vader of Leigh Brackett's draft, where he simply dismisses Imperial officers who fail him with a wave of his hand and lines like "Leave me, you incompetent idiot."

    Pretty much everybody in Brackett's draft is overly talky. Lucas wanted more of the Brackett who'd written things like The Big Sleep and the Eric John Stark novels - not to mention a gangster smashing a glass bottle into his girlfriend's face in Robert Altman's 1973 film version of The Long Goodbye (which she also scripted).

    Of course, Lucas' own plot outline for ESB still being very vague and insufficiently perilous for the heroes had a lot to do with the script's problems as well.
     
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  5. antitoxicgamer

    antitoxicgamer Jedi Padawan star 1

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    If Vader actually wanted to imprison all of Luke's close friends to lure him then why he even risked Han's life by carbon freezing him ? That could have kill him and Vader just used him as a test to be assured that Luke doesn't die by being carbon freezed.

    Also, wouldn't killing Chewie given him some advantage ? He could show Luke that he will kill his friends if Luke doesn't join him.That would make turning him much easier.
    But on Tantive 4 he wasn't that smart for killing captain Antilles imo.
    He could have imprisoned him similar to Leia and maybe he would have taken the secret rebel base location out of him very easily.
     
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  6. cubman987

    cubman987 Friendly Neighborhood CT/PT/Saga/Fun & Games Mod star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Because he still had Chewie and Leia....

    If they are dead then Luke wouldn't come to save them.
     
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  7. antitoxicgamer

    antitoxicgamer Jedi Padawan star 1

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    I meant just killing Chewie.
     
  8. BlackRanger

    BlackRanger Jedi Knight star 3

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    Killing your son's friends is not a winning strategy to convert him to the Dark Side.

    It's much more extreme than simply cutting off his hand to defeat him in a swordfight, for instance.
     
  9. FightoftheForgotten

    FightoftheForgotten Jedi Knight star 3

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    Vader needs (wants) Luke frozen for his journey to the Emperor. Vader needs the carbon freezing chamber tested on Han so that he knows it won't kill Luke. Vader brings Leia and Chewy down to the freezing chamber when they freeze Han so that Han will willingly go into the freezing chamber. Without Leia and Chewy going down as well, Han may very well go out swinging and have to be killed.

    Once they're down there, Vader is in charge. Boba Fett does not get to start firing into the crowd just because Chewbacca goes off the handle. Vader sees that everything will calm down and he isn't concerned with a few stormtroopers losing their lives. Vader is letting Boba Fett know not to get too comfortable and that he (Vader) is still calling the shots.
     
  10. BlackRanger

    BlackRanger Jedi Knight star 3

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    But nobody bothers to UNfreeze Han, so they don't know whether something like permanent blindness is a side effect of the carbon freezing process.

    Though since that idea doesn't show up until ROTJ, it probably wasn't at all on the minds of Lucas, Kasdan et al. in ESB.
     
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  11. Bring_My_Shuttle

    Bring_My_Shuttle Jedi Master star 1

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    GL missed an opportunity to have Vader say "NOOO"
     
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  12. Django Fett

    Django Fett Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Because Boba might accidentally hit Leia, Vader doesn't care about Chewie but along with Leia they are valuable prisoners. Leia is the grand prize though, she is the de facto leader of the Rebellion in the Hoth System, he failed to get information from her before, I can only imagine that Vader would love to take Leia to Mustafar and interrogate her as long as it takes.
     
  13. BlackRanger

    BlackRanger Jedi Knight star 3

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    Right! It's an indication of the way Leia was increasingly sidelined in ESB and ROTJ that nobody even mentions that idea.
     
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  14. DARTH_BELO

    DARTH_BELO Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    "You are free to use any methods necessary, but I want them ALIVE-NO disintegrations!" :vader:
     
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  15. DARTHLINK

    DARTHLINK Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    • They’re in a small, compacted room. Ricochets are a thing, even with blaster bolts.

    • Vader wants the others alive, not dead.

    • Vader is in charge, not Boba. This is his mission. Boba is just an accessory. The fact Boba also gets a slice of the pie is irrelevant to Vader.
     
  16. christophero30

    christophero30 Chosen One star 8

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    that is a good answer @DARTHLINK (cool Zelda av)
    (I like the way Vader says "bounty hunter" with contempt even though he must know his name)
     
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  17. Bazinga'd

    Bazinga'd The Mandalorian / Manager of WNU/CT/Saga star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I dont know about that. Luke would have have lost his s^%& and would have become enraged. A lot easier to turn someone who is emotionally compromised then someone being rational. Vader may have been more effective in executing them in front of Luke.
     
  18. BlackRanger

    BlackRanger Jedi Knight star 3

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    Interesting thought! But it relies on them still being alive when Luke gets there.
     
  19. christophero30

    christophero30 Chosen One star 8

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    Vader could have offered Luke some power converters.
     
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  20. Binary_Sunset

    Binary_Sunset Force Ghost star 5

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    I just re-watched TESB (the 1980 version, natch) and to me it seemed clear that Vader regarded his own men as sufficient to quell Chewbacca. He didn't need a bounty hunter making things messier than they already were.
     
  21. antitoxicgamer

    antitoxicgamer Jedi Padawan star 1

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    I saw someone in a PT thread saying that Vader stopped Boba because he recognized his own droid on the back of Chewbacca.(C3PO)
     
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  22. christophero30

    christophero30 Chosen One star 8

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    Vader can cut his son's hand off but don't mess with his droid.
     
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