ST What does the ST add to the Saga? What is its story purpose?

Same here. Although, I wanted them to go one better and have Luke and Rey trudge off to look for it together. I think it might have been leaked images like this that got my hopes up prior to the release. Why would Luke have a compass, travelling clothes, walking stick and a knapsack if not to go on some kind of quest? It breaks my heart honestly to think that he was just some suicidal old hermit.

 

Also Anakin brought balance to the force when he killed Sheev Palpatine in Return of the Jedi, and so there was no Sith anymore, and thus there was no dark users of the force anymore. So that's another reason why the sequel trilogy didn't need to happen.

 

The word "subversion" was used a lot to describe what TLJ did to the narrative of TFA, but it's not what I would call it. I've noticed a pattern in the choices of Rian Johnson. Every single one of them was the easiest to write for.
I guess his writing notes looked like this on this movie :

Who is Rey ? What is that business with her family ? Does she has any ties with the saga characters ? Is there a reason for Kylo Ren to freak out as soon as he hears from a "girl" on Jakku ?

Nah. Let's just say her parents were nobodies and forget about it. She'll cry for ten seconds when Kylo mentions that and it won't effect her in any other way.

What is the first order ? Do they still have an army after TFA or are they back to square one just like Leia ? What is going on in the rest of the galaxy ? Are people uniting against the new common ennemy or is it utter chaos ?

You know... people really like it when Star wars is just like the OT. Let's just pretend that the republic is nothing now and the First order is like the Empire at the peak of its power. We'll just give the fans more X-wing vs TIE fighters, some battle of Hoth redone and we're good. Oh, and let's call the good guys rebels again... it sounds so much better.

Who is Snoke ? Is he from the behond, from an unknown civilisation ? Did he make some kind of deal with the First order ? Did he initiate it ? Did he know Palpatine ? Vader ? Is he more powerfull than them ? Is he a Sith ?

Oh, we didn't need to know anything about the Emperor in Return of the Jedi, did we ? We just needed some kind of evil mentor for a while. I'll get rid of him two third into the movie, and untill that, I'll just give him some recycled lines from Palpatine. It will work just fine. Maybe I could change the color of his clothes. Now that would be a bold creative move !

What was Luke doing on that Island ? What does the first Jedi temple look like ? What sort of secrets about the Force could it contain ? Does Luke recognize Rey when she appears before him ? What are gonna be his first words to her ? What will the blue saber ignite in him ?

Now that's a hard one. I could get into some kind a convoluted quest to defeat the dark side or something, but I'm really not into that sort of thing. And there's no way I'll ask for help on this one. Lets just say that Luke came on this planet to die. He'll throw the light saber like trash and refuse to talk to Rey. Gee... I really dodged a bullet here. There was so much pressure around the first thing that Luke would say in this trilogy...
People want him to return and kick ass, but that would be ridiculous. it's not like we've ever seen a Jedi face and defeat multiple opponents at the same time. Luke is not a god. I know ! He should just convince people that he has returned, so the fans get their wish and I don't have to explain how he even got away from that island. The perfect deal !

How to create some kind of trouble relationship between Kylo and Rey ?

Should I work on a complicated story where Kylo finds the temple by himself and confront Luke and Rey ? I could bring in those "knights of Ren" that I've heard of. But, I don't really care about them...
Lets's just say Kylo and Rey can see each other from time to time. I guess the Force can do that.

How to make the pursuit between the First order and the Resistance last for a long time ?

Their ships go at the exact same speed and the First order officers never thinks about sending another ship in front of their ennemies... Because... er... They're dumb !

What about that vision when Rey touched the saber in TFA ? That looked important. And Maz sort of promissed the audience that the saber's backstory would be explained...

Screw that. I'll just destroy the saber and make it irrelevant.

And so on, and so on...

 

The reason there are contradictory statements is because anyone involved in the production has a clear and obvious incentive to say there was, in fact, a plan. But occasionally people slip up and make reference to the fact that there really wasn't one. And then we have Mark Hamill--who's basically gone rogue because of his untouchable status--who's publicly stated that there was less of a plan than even Lucas had for the OT.

I feel it's pretty obvious that we should give more weight to the statements that go against the incentive structure that comes with being involved in a corporate enterprise worth billions of dollars, because those are more likely to be the unvarnished truth. There's no reason for people to say there was no real plan unless that's true. There's plenty of reason, on the other hand, for people to say everything was planned, even if that's not true.

 

All of that could be true. Or, alternatively, your inferences could be wrong. Obviously you can speculate all you want, but until we have a definitive and objective behind-the-scenes account we can't make any definitive statements on the matter.

 

I tend to agree. It would be financially stupid for them to publicly state that there was no plan of any kind whatsoever. And I trust Disney and the regime at Lucasfilm under Disney less than I trusted Lucas. We'll never have definitive proof for one side of the debate or the other, but I simply don't trust Disney and Lucasfilm, at least when it comes to matters concerning the ST. To me, the return of Palpatine was the final straw - they'll never convince me that it too was planned beforehand.

 

I've always assumed that Palpy was part of Lucas' treatments maybe at the start, JJ tossed it, Johnson also tossed it, JJ brought it back, therefore "part of the plan". But we aren't LFL creative employees with access to the materiel so who the hell knows.

 

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What we need is Supershadow back..

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Promotional shot of Darth Maul actor Ray Park, which SuperShadow claimed to be a picture of himself.

 

Probably not, but I'm sure a fuller picture will emerge over time. I was merely pointing out that the statements from various people may not be as contradictory a they seem. What MH means by there being no plan might be perfectly consistent with what KK means by there being a plan; one might be referencing a different level of detail than the other. Assuming that they are inherently contradictory, and therefore the financially interested party must be lying, is a conclusion that I think is based upon too little concrete evidence. To me their statements suggests that there is more to the story than we know and that it's possible that there is a middle ground. Or maybe people are lying. In short, I think people may be jumping to conclusions.

 

To bad all of the new Legos aren’t selling as well as the OT stuff. My friend manages a store the Solo and VIII stuff we’re not what the OT and VII stuff were.

 

Toy sales down 5% in the US in 2017, hardly a surprise less was selling. Toy's are becoming a forgotten item.

 

All i can say is that it was worse than a 5% drop it’s one of the reasons they have started releasing more OT stuff and that crazy Millenium Falcon was released they made bank off that. So yes there are market conditions but when things trend below market conditions you have another problem

 

Hope people stay in their corners and leave the other faction alone.

 

You don’t serve starfish?

How rude

 

Yeah peoples opinion of the films are going to colour their perspective. My intent with my initial post was simply to point out that it's a lot less definitive then some suggest.

 

I'm always of the opinion that so long as you land on your feat none of it matters.

A strange example is essentially how i handled my schooling...slacked off sometimes, studied hard near the end...so long as I scraped by with a passing grade I was happy ;p

 

for entertainment/escape that's why i go to the movies and that's why i think any movie is made even the OT Star Wars!