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JCC [Woody Allen, among others]Can you separate a person's art, work and/or career from their actions?

Discussion in 'Community' started by DarthTunick , Feb 3, 2014.

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Can you separate a person's art, work and/or career from their actions?

  1. Yes

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  2. NO

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  1. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Shelf of Shame Host star 9 VIP - Game Host

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    Jeg liker å ta en bæsj i vannet i min hjemplanet nå og da.
     
  2. harpua

    harpua Chosen One star 9

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    Ugh... I'm just repulsed by the whole thing. I don't even want to have an opinion anymore. This family's personal business needs to remain this family's personal business, instead of some sick media circus. Dylan should go to counseling for her [probably] PTSD, and Woody Allen should just keep his mouth shut. After reading that response (and the letter by Dylan), I feel like a voyeur and will probably not follow this story any further.
     
  3. Ender Sai

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    Wocky, if I know the operas and don't find any form of objectionable Jewish stereotypes in them, and am aware that the allegations are, at best, unfounded (and I would agree with Borchmeyer's analysis FWIW), then no. I don't think there's anti-Semitism in Wagner's work, nor do I think his views inform the music. For me, there's no hint of anti-Semitism in Wagner's music and I would refer again to Borchmeyer's analysis.
     
  4. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 9

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    Yeah. Except my point was there's a huge difference between saying "for me" something is true, and just saying, as a blanket assertion that no one has ever felt there was any connection at all. The latter being what you actually said.
     
  5. Ender Sai

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    I'll give you an analogy, that will explain it.

    Saying that Wagner's work is anti-Semitic is like saying AOTC was playing into American fears of being swamped by Mexicans; or that LOTR: The Two Towers was a reference to September 11, or that the word "niggardly" is racist.
     
  6. harpua

    harpua Chosen One star 9

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    In certain contexts, it is racist.
     
  7. slightly_unhinged

    slightly_unhinged Jedi Master star 4

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    The Scots are a niggardly bunch.

    ^ racist :)
     
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  8. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    Yes, when idiots get ahold of it. Since there is no etymological tie between niggardly and the racial slur, it's a thousand percent not racist.
     
  9. harpua

    harpua Chosen One star 9

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    That's like saying "fag" (a cigarette) isn't offensive.
     
  10. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    Ender's right, harps.
     
  11. harpua

    harpua Chosen One star 9

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    Yes, I know the definition of niggardly... I realize it's not the same word as "nigger," I'm saying that it's erroneous to say that it's 1000% not racist, because in certain contexts, it can be.
     
  12. tom

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    that's true of basically any word.
     
  13. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    It's not. People always say "I'm going to have a fag" or "I'm popping outside for a fag" or "can I bum a fag?"

    The etymological root of the racial slur is the Latin word "niger", meaning "dark" or "black". You know, like Nigeria or the Niger Delta?

    Tellingly, the racial slur ends '-er' whereas in niggardly tellingly has an "a". Why? Simple; the etymological root is probably the Norse word nigla. Niggardly is cognate with "niggling", as their root deals with someone or something that fusses over small details.

    If someone has a niggling feeling, do you accuse them of racism or is it, too, situational?
     
  14. Ender Sai

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    I don't think being a redneck American and not knowing any better; or being a liberal American and being offended at any given situation, counts as a valid context.
     
  15. harpua

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    Don't be an *******.

    ass·hole
    ˈasˌhōl/

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      the anus.
     
  16. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    An ass is a donkey, harps.
     
  17. harpua

    harpua Chosen One star 9

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    Yes, but I didn't say ass. I said *******. :)
     
  18. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    Is that a hole in a donkey, or a hole that only donkeys can fit in?
     
  19. harpua

    harpua Chosen One star 9

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    A little from column A; a little from column B.
     
  20. Zapdos

    Zapdos Force Ghost star 5

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    a hole in a donkey that only a donkey can fit in?
     
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  21. harpua

    harpua Chosen One star 9

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    Certain humans would like to fit in that hole, I'm sure. Who am I to judge?
     
  22. Zapdos

    Zapdos Force Ghost star 5

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    harpua: not big on judging
     
  23. harpua

    harpua Chosen One star 9

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    I'm a humanitarian.
     
  24. slightly_unhinged

    slightly_unhinged Jedi Master star 4

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    Harps, I've never seen the word niggard to mean anything other than miser. I'm pretty sure I've seen the word in Chaucer, and I've definitely seen it in Shakespeare (and Tolkien, who was fond of using words from old and middle English). If the word is misused in the States, it's not something I'm aware of so I'm guessing an Aussie wouldn't either. I don't think there's any intent to rustle jimmies here.

    In other news, here's a picture I found on the internet :)

    [​IMG]
     
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  25. harpua

    harpua Chosen One star 9

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    No jimmies are being rustled... Ender and I always do this. His *******ry is an endearing quality, in most cases.