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CT Would the rebels still win without Luke?

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by NakkyGraphics, Feb 15, 2016.

  1. NakkyGraphics

    NakkyGraphics Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I know they probably wouldn't have won the Battle of Yavin, since Luke was the one to destroy the Death Star. But what about the rest? I don't remember Luke helping much. I mean, Darth Vader and the Emperor would still be alive, but I'm pretty sure that after the Rebels won the battle, they would still sign a concordance with the Empire. Whats your opinion?
     
  2. Darkslayer

    Darkslayer Force Ghost star 7

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  3. Jedi of Baker Street

    Jedi of Baker Street Jedi Knight star 1

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    If Luke hadn't taken out the Death Star the rebels would pretty much have been shattered and mostly dead. The rest wouldn't have even happened lol.
     
  4. Lt. Hija

    Lt. Hija Jedi Master star 4

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    The secret supporters would have withdrawn all their funding and cut off any ties to the Alliance.

    After all, the princess was merely voicing a theory when she said to Tarkin "the more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers".
     
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  5. Darkslayer

    Darkslayer Force Ghost star 7

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    I read that line in Carrie's voice lol
     
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  6. CT1138

    CT1138 Jedi Master star 4

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    Without Luke, the droids do not safely get delivered to the Rebellion. They get picked up by the Jawas and Owen buys R2, and 3PO gets bought somewhere else. Because Owen would never be naive enough to remove R2's restraining bolt, especially before going off to dinner, R2 never makes it to Obi-Wan. R2's memory is wiped, and the data tapes stored in R2 get discarded as rubbish belonging to the previous owner. Stormtroopers track R2 to the Lars, but don't retrieve the plans. They raise the homestead anyway. Leia watches as Alderaan is destroyed, and is then executed herself. The Rebels, instead of the Yavin scaled attack, begin a full scaled attack on the Death Star with everything they have (full RotJ force). The Rebellion faces a miserable defeat, and is ultimately left shattered. Support for their cause quickly dwindles as the Death Star is publicly announced as the new seat of Galactic power. The Rebellion fades into myth, as the Empire reigns supreme.
     
  7. SateleNovelist11

    SateleNovelist11 Force Ghost star 6

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    Luke not only took out the Death Star I. He accomplished a few feats like the destruction an AT-AT at the beginning of TESB. This saved Rebel lives. Undoubtedly, Luke was a valuable asset to the Alliance.
     
  8. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Nakky is talking about Endor, not Yavin. No, the Alliance wouldn't win totally. Palpatine would sense any impending danger and move to prevent it. He doesn't in the final film because his attention is on Luke and Vader.
     
  9. Torib

    Torib Jedi Master star 2

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    It's true that Luke was more useful to the rebellion in the earlier stages, but that's when a rebellion is at its weakest, before it has really proven itself, thus winning supporters to its cause. By destroying the death star, Luke not only dealt a blow to the empire and saved the rebel base from destruction, he also proved to the rest of the galaxy that the rebellion had the capability to actually win.
     
  10. StartCenterEnd

    StartCenterEnd Jedi Master star 3

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    Don't forget if it wasn't for Han Solo Luke would never have destroyed the death star and if it weren't for Leia's bravery in securing the death plans the death star would never have been destroyed.
     
  11. redlightning

    redlightning Jedi Knight star 4

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    I think even with the Death Star not being destroyed, an eventual resistance would've risen to challenge the Empire again. Within twenty to thirty years it was pretty likely that the Emperor was going to die off and the Empire crumble in his wake. As powerful as Palpatine was, he couldn't live forever. Vader likely would've been replaced by then anyway because of his age and outliving his usefulness. As the Emperor died, an Imperial civil war was inevitable, and the collapse would've occurred as well.
     
  12. NakkyGraphics

    NakkyGraphics Jedi Youngling star 1

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    So, what I'm asking if there is ONLY no Luke. Well, on Tatooine, Uncle Owen would have still bought 3PO and R2 after the R4 broke down. The droids would have escaped and found Obi Wan. They would have found a pilot. Get to the Death Star, rescue Leia. And possibly escape but without Obi Wan. (He would still die :( ) Then blah blah blah.They fight the Battle Of Yavin. And I know Luke was the one to score the missle through the Death Star port. So let's say they got lucky, the movie would end.
    Then in the battle of Hoth, Han would never leave to go find Luke. Luke ever takes down the AT-AT, but the rebels still lost with or without that one AT-AT destroyed. Yoda scenes would have never happened. They leave Hoth after losing. They go to Bespin to reunite with Lando. They get betrayed. Han gets frozen. Leia and Lando escape (with Chewie and R2 and what not). They rescue Han, but Leia gets captured. Luke never comes to rescue. Han will have to jump, but remember they have R2, and Lando there.
    (Even though Luke killed 80% of the people there.) So let's skip this and pretend they somehow survived. Then blah blah blah. The battle of Endor. Luke never turns himself in. They beat the empire on the moon. They blowup the Death Star, however Darth and Palps escape. So no, they would not win, but they would survive.
     
  13. Lt. Hija

    Lt. Hija Jedi Master star 4

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    Artoo would have delivered himself to Ben Kenobi but without a landspeeder it would have taken them days to reach Mos Eisley.

    Would he have gotten of the planet? By that time the Princess would have been executed, thus been unable to lead the Death Star to the hidden base on Yavin IV. Vader would have still looked for the Rebel base.

    The Death Star would have probably destroyed more planets, and the Alliance would have been slowly sinking into darkness.

    Unless there is the possibility that Yavin IV was originally a trap set up for the Emperor.
     
  14. Pax12

    Pax12 Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Also, Luke is the only guy in Rebellion who knows he has force abilities so that is a major confidence and tactical boost for the Rebellion.
     
  15. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Who would take off Artoo's restraining bolt if Luke was, for some reason, not present? (Maybe staying over at a friend's for a week or so).
     
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  16. redlightning

    redlightning Jedi Knight star 4

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    What would've the Rebellion done if Obi-Wan actually had reached them and was able to help them out as a general. Would've he become the head of it by this time?

    I imagine if Leia makes it to Tatooine successfully, she lands where Obi-Wan is located. This is where he reveals to her she is really the daughter of Darth Vader and the former Jedi Anakin Skywalker. They are able to take Luke and reveal the same truth to him. Because of this revelation he agrees to go with them to Alderaan. Luke and Leia both leave the Rebellion long enough to go elsewhere and train with Obi-Wan in the ways of the Force. They remain undetected by the Empire and Darth Vader living separate from the rest of the Rebel Alliance. Eventually, they are able to become full fledged Jedi knights strong enough to fight Darth Vader and the Emperor. With their combined strength, they are able to defeat Vader or redeem him. Combined with Yoda, Obi-Wan, and the twins they may threaten the Emperor and be able to defeat him in a Force battle. This destruction causes the same uprising after Endor through this attempt.
     
  17. Admiral Volshe

    Admiral Volshe Force Ghost star 10

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    Agreed.

    Leia would not have made it off the Death Star, the Death Star would never have been destroyed.
     
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  18. JEDI-RISING

    JEDI-RISING Chosen One star 6

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    probably not . if nothing else the Sith were preoccupied with him
     
  19. Too-Gon Onbourbon

    Too-Gon Onbourbon Jedi Knight star 2

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    No, even if you're just talking Endor the fleet would have been efficiently anhilated before Han could get the shields down. It was only drug out to use to torture Luke so he would turn.

    Han also wouldn't be there to get the shield down and if he was there then the odds of him being eaten by Ewoks rises if they aren't captured after speeder bike troops who get away and raise the alarm.

    If nothing else Palpatine and Vader would be focused on the battle and that alone might have been the difference.
     
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  20. Slicer87

    Slicer87 Jedi Master star 4

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    Without Luke, the DS would have destoryed and killed all the Rebels.
     
  21. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Without somebody rescuing Leia, the Death Star wouldn't have found the Rebel Base - at least in the movie timeframe.

    And the Rebels need Artoo to plan a mission - because he has the Death Star plans.

    Events would play out very differently - but it's difficult to predict what would happen, past the destruction of Alderaan. Maybe Obi-Wan would despair, have a heart attack, and die, from the effects through the force, as in the Skippy the Jedi Droid story?
     
  22. PHIERY

    PHIERY Jedi Master star 2

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  23. MoonFyre

    MoonFyre Jedi Master star 2

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    Without Luke, there's no Han Solo. Both were crucial in destroying the death star.

    So no.
     
  24. redlightning

    redlightning Jedi Knight star 4

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    Yes. If Luke hadn't rescued Leia from the Death Star, the Millennium Falcon would never have been tracked to the rebel base on Yavin IV. If Leia had sacrificed herself for the cause and Luke not brought aboard, the Rebel base location would've remained secret and unknown to the Empire. The rebels still could've located the Death Star at some point, attacked it, and destroyed it as they did before.
     
  25. Vialco

    Vialco Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Without Luke, Leia would remain a prisoner of the Empire aboard the Death Star. Sooner or later, Darth Vader would have extracted the location of the Yavin Base from her.

    "Her resistance to the mind probe is considerable. It will be some time before we are able to extract any information from her."

    "Some time" implies that obtaining the location of the rebel base was an inevitability. Without Luke Skywalker the Rebel Alliance was doomed to fail.