Yoda should have known he couldn't kill Sidious because he wasn't the Chosen One, but...

I'll answer myself. Well Lord Fly, let's assume that those two Sith are what's contaminating the force, and when their destroyed, all will be well in force land. But what about Yoda's lecture to Luke about the force telling him "Life creates it, makes it grow?" Mind you, he didn't say the Jedi or Sith creates it, he said LIFE...as in ALL LIFE. Which version is the correct one? Are the Jedi and Sith the sole procurer's of the force, OR are they just a part of it as Yoda states?

 

why don't you start a thread?.

 

I just might do that.

 

your welcome.

 

In a normal world thats a good question but since only Anakin could bring balance, Yoda and ObiWan would get they're butts kicked

 

That is not balance or imbalance. It's where the Sith start to take over the galaxy, using the Dark Side, making evil grow stronger than the good. Balance is where good and evil are on equal footing. But if the Sith try to rule the galaxy, it will disrupt the balance. It will only come back when the Sith are eliminated. Good and evil will once again be equal. The push/pull tension will be there.

 

I believe that Yoda knew that with the Chosen One incapacitated by the seductive lure of the dark side of the Force, that he had little choice but to confront the Sith Master, whether or not he believed he was skilled enough to defeat Sidious. In translation, he did because he felt he had to do it, not because he necessarily believed that he had the power to defeat the sith.
I am probably wrong about my interpretation, but it was worth a try. [face_alien_1]

 

As someone already mentioned: It is the chosen one's mission to balance the force, not kill sidious. If sidious dies and another sith still lives, the force is not in balance.

Since Anakin had already turned to the dark side, Yoda could have killed Sidious and the force would still be unbalanced because 1 more sith still existed, Vader. So it was fully possible for Yoda to beat the Emperor.

In rotJ, Anakin destroys both sith at once, the Emperor and the one inside himself, thus eliminating the sith completely and finally bringing balance.

 

Except for the fact that with the Emperor dead, no one could save Anakin from near death.

I do believe in Fate ... to an extent. I do believe that no matter what Yoda did, he would not have been able to defeat the Emperor, it just wasn't the Will of the Force. The Chosen One will, and does, fulfil his prophecy.

 

"Except for the fact that with the Emperor dead, no one could save Anakin from near death."

I'm not sure. Yoda was wise, perhaps he would have considered saving Anakin's life. With his master gone, perhaps it was still possible to sort of rehabilitate Anakin?

Or if Anakin died, his death would bring balance to the force since he was the last sith. I know, that's not how it was intended and it would be weird, but if you only interpretate the prophecy as the chosen one bringing balance to the force, then it is possible.

I think that the star wars galaxy is a mix of fate and coincidence. The chosen one was meant to balance the force and destroy the sith, but everything in between was left up to chance. I very much doubt that the Force intended for Anakin to become cripple Vader and allow the galaxy to suffer for 25 years. If I were to guess, I think the force intended for Anakin to kill Palpatine when he walked in on him and Mace. But Anakin attempted to defy his destiny and he was able to for over 20 years until it eventually caught up to him.

Does that make sense? English isn't my native tounge.

 

I don't think so. It seems that Obi-Wan and Yoda (especially Yoda) seemed to write Anakin off as being un-savable after a certain point. If Obi-Wan left Anakin to burn, you can be sure that Yoda would've done the same.

This whole Chosen One thing sort of reminds me of the Matrix. I know. Sorry to bring it up. But just one thing, the Chosen One (with all his wisdom, skill, and power) is the only one that can fulfil the prophecy laid out before him. Yoda was not it, he couldn't have beaten Palpatine. Anakin was, it had to be him.

And yes you did make sense.

 

Anakin lost to Dooku the first time, the second duel, he outsmarted Dooku, against Palpatine, I don't think so!
I don't agree that ONLY Anakin could have destroyed Palpatine. If ANYONE could do it, it would HAVE to be Yoda. He was close, I don't know why he wimped out.

 

Yoda said that the prophecy could have been misread. So, perhpas he considers that bringing balance to the force not necessarily means killing the Sith.

Besides, how could you know you are not the chosen one if you not, at least, try to destroy the Sith? You will know AFTER your attempt if you were or not...

 

The prophecy didn't say the chosen one would destroy the Sith. It said he would bring balance to the Force, which Anakin did by killing all but two of the jedi (Yoda and Obi-Wan), he balance it again later by killing Obi-Wan since Luke had started his training and could be considered a padawan learner. when he killed Palp. in ROTJ it had nothing to do with the prophecy. That was a fathers love for his son bringing him back from the abyss, thus the return of the jedi. Anakin is "the jedi" in the return of the Jedi. The whole Saga from movie 1-6 is about Anakin-the chosen one, who would bring balance to the Force, not the universe, the Force. there has to be as many jedi as there are sith.
Anakin Fulfilled the Prophecy by turning to the Dark side, it was his destiny. In order to be the Chosen one and bring balance to the force he had to kill jedi. The jedi's misinterpreted the prophecy, like many prophecies through out time.

 

Once Yoda and Obi-Wan saw the holo of Anakin pledging himself to Sidious, I believe they no longer considered the Prophecy to be true, at least not in the sense that Anakin would destroy the Sith. That's why, I feel, there was no second thought from Yoda that he couldn't destroy Sidious. Perhaps in isolation on Dagobah, Yoda should have reflected on his defeat to Sidious. The meaning should have told him that Anakin still was the one to do it though at a future time he did not know. I wish in the Original Trilogy there was at least some mention of it.

 

Yoda states right in the film that the Jedi may have misinterpreted the prophecy of the Chosen One which claims that a chosen one will bring balance to the force. That's a pretty vague definition to try and define esspecially since it's likely thousands of years old and the perspective of the one who uttered it was likely lost over time. From their perspective it's a myth, and really from our perspective it should be seen as a myth as well; atleast while the story unfolds and most certainly at this point in the story.

Yoda was right in trying to defeat Sidious because the person who might have been the Chosen One was now an agent of evil. The point is from their perspective nothing is set in stone and all bets are off once they learn of Anakin's treachery. The only mistake Yoda made was facing Sidious alone. He should have brought Obi Wan with him to ensure victory instead of spreading out his forces too thin. Once Sidious was defeated, they could then establish a stability and deal with a fugitive Anakin later.

 

Known a LOT of things, Yoda should have, hmm?

 

To me, and as Atari stated, the move to destroy Sidious was one of desperation, one without hope. There are many factors to detemine this:

As stated before, when Obi-Wan and Yoda saw the hologram of Anakin pledging his allegience to the Sith, they figured the Prophecy was not true or had been misread.

Secondly, they thought that they were the final hope for destroying the Sith, as none of the Jedi, with the exception of Obi-Wan's suspicions, ever really knew that Padme was pregenant with Force-natured ctwins. She covered it up.

Even if it was suspected Padme was pregnant, the child could not be Anakin's, or any other Jedi, as marraige and children are forbidden by the Code. So, the future of the Jedi looked to be imperiled because the Chosen One turned to the Darkside and Obi-Wan and Yoda seemed to be the last of the Jedi and from their point of view in the movie, there was no other hope than to confront the Sith directly.

Yoda confronted Sidious in a last ditch effort to destroy the Sith knowing full well that the fate of the Force, the Jedi and the Republic rested on these duels.

It was only afterwards, when the twins were born did they see a new hope and trusted in the force to provide a way, Prophecy or not. So whether or not Yoda could kill Sidious was insignificant next to his duty as a Jedi and to the Republic that he at least try. Prophecy be damned, he was going to try, and I really dig the fact he did. Kudos to Yoda.

 

No, it's not. George Lucas has spoken.

"I wanted to have this mythological footing because I was basing the films on the idea that the Force has two sides, the good side, the evil side, and they both need to be there. Most religions are built on that, whether it's called yin and yang, God and the devil?everything is built on the push-pull tension created by two sides of the equation. Right from the very beginning, that was the key issue in Star Wars."

--George Lucas, ?The Mythology of Star Wars,? Joseph Campbell and the Power of Myth DVD, 2001

"The overriding philosophy in Episode I?and in all the Star Wars movies, for that matter?is the balance between good and evil."

--George Lucas, quoted in L. Bouzereau, Star Wars: The Making of Episode I, 1999

"If good and evil are mixed things become blurred - there is nothing between good and evil, everything is gray. In each of us we to have balance these emotions, and in the Star Wars saga the most important point is balance, balance between everything. It is dangerous to lose this. In The Phantom Menace one of the Jedi Council already knows the balance of The Force is starting to slip, and will slip further. It is obvious to this person that The Sith are going to destroy this balance. On the other hand a prediction which is referred to states someone will replace the balance in the future. At the right time a balance may again be created, but presently it is being eroded by dark forces."

--George Lucas, Time Magazine article, 2002


"As evil begins to take over, it pushes the Force out of balance."

--George Lucas, AOTC DVD Commentary.

"It's not that they can't see the Dark Side coming, it's just that the Dark Side begins to envelop everything. It's like walking into a fog. The Jedi's ability to see lessens as the Dark Side grows."

--George Lucas, AOTC DVD Commentary.

"I think it is obvious that [Qui-Gon] was wrong in Episode I and made a dangerous decision, but ultimately this decision may be correct. The ?phantom menace? refers to the force of the dark side of the universe. Anakin will be taken over by dark forces which in turn destroy the balance of the Galaxy, but the individual who kills the Emperor is Darth Vader?also Anakin. The tale meanders and both the prediction and Qui-Gon are correct?Anakin is the chosen one, and he did bring peace at last with his own sacrifice. Luke couldn't kill the Emperor himself, but he could make Anakin reflect on his life and kill the Emperor."

--George Lucas, Cut Magazine interview, 1999

"The thing of it is: The prophecy was right. Anakin was the chosen one, and he does bring balance to the Force. He takes the one ounce of good still left in him and destroys the Emperor out of compassion for his son."

--George Lucas, The Making Of Revenge Of The Sith; page 221

"The first film starts with the last age of the Republic; which is it's getting tired, old, it's getting corrupt. There's the rise of the Sith, who are now becoming a force, and in the backdrop of this you have Anakin Skywalker: a young boy who's destined to be a very significant pl

 

I think JediJain is right. In TPM the council is disturbed by the boy clearly. Yoda has forseen terrible consequences in his training, but the council feels that they must indeed give the boy a chance. The jedi are not certain what "bringing the force into balance" will entail, but they are hopeful that the outcome is good. By ROTS they indeed see that the Chosen One could well indeed be a harbinger of evil. i think in these terms, we can see that by having a disparity of the number of force adepts of good and evil destroys balance. there are far more jedi than sith, this is the imbalance. by ANH there are 2 sith and 2 jedi (obiwan and yoda, sidious and vader, if you stay within the confines of the movies). by ROTJ there is just 2 sith. vader returns to the light, destroying the sith, and luke and anakin then become 2 jedi(luke only becomes a knight during his final battle with the emperor, that is his final trial). anakin becomes one with the force,and for one brief moment there is absolute balance for there are no true adepts. now that luke has faced his final trial and confronted vader, he is now the only jedi in the galaxy. in that moment the imbalance begins anew. it is a perpetual struggle like the norse wolf of night stealing away the sun, only for sun to return to the skies in the next day. the chosen one did fulfill his duties to the prophecy right on que, he did bring balance. in the starwars future, it may take millenia for the imbalance to wax fully again and another chosen one called.

 

Clearly the prophecy was misread/misunderstood as stated in the book.

I don't think even the chosen one could have defeated the Sith Lord--he had way too much drama goin on

 

I do not think that the Prophecy was misread.

I mean Anakin *did* bring the Force into balance, just 23 years later.
He was always the only one who could EVER bring down Sidious. And in the end he does, Prophecy Fulfilled.

*~*Ti*~*

 

Whether Yoda believed Anakin was or was not the Chosen One when he made the decision to take on Palps is something of a moot point. It IS certainly safe to say he at least doubted the interpretation that Anakin was meant to destroy the Sith - he stated as much himself. But I doubt even Yoda himself knew for sure what to think of the prophecy after Anakin turned to the Dark Side.

I agree with what's been stated before: Yoda faced Sidious because he believed he had to. After the Temple massacre Yoda was the best shot the Jedi (and the Republic) had against Palps, and Yoda HAD to take that shot. For those familiar with the Iliad: I think Yoda v. Sids is analogous to Hector v. Achilles. When Hector goes out to face Achilles, Hector KNOWS he is as good as screwed b/c Achilles is practically invincible; but he still faces his opponent because a) he knows (as the greatest warrior of Troy) he's the only one who stands a chance at beating Achiiles, and b) he has HOPE. Yoda too was the best chance the Jedi had at the time to beat Sids, and I don't think it would be un-jedi-like for the little green master to place his trust and hope in the force to reward him with a potential victory.

 

Well said. I think some people do not quite grasp the concept of the prophecy. It does not state that the Chosen One and ONLY the Chosen One has the power to bring balance to the force. I says the Chosen One WILL bring balance. Mace and Yoda may have the ability to bring balance, but Anakin is the one chosen to accomplish this. (I am assuming that destroying the Sith = bringing balance)

 

If Yoda killed Sidious, the prophecy would not fulfilled because there is still one Sith left: Vader