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Senate Misogyny, Entitlement, and Pop Culture

Discussion in 'Community' started by Heero_Yuy, May 29, 2014.

  1. Zapdos

    Zapdos Force Ghost star 5

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    actually that's a great way to work out. you'll never run as fast as you do when there's a creep chasing you
     
  2. Harpua

    Harpua Chosen One star 9

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    Creep.
     
  3. JoinTheSchwarz

    JoinTheSchwarz Former Head Admin star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Let's not get personal. I get you women can't help it bu-- crap.
     
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  4. EmpireForever

    EmpireForever Force Ghost star 8

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    ITT: creep shaming.

    and the mods allow this? how? where is juicetice?
     
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  5. Zapdos

    Zapdos Force Ghost star 5

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    moviefan logic
    "i don't like you" means "i secretly like you and want you to stalk me plz"

    this guy knows women. take notes, the rest of you
     
  6. EmpireForever

    EmpireForever Force Ghost star 8

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    But as has been pointed out, chasing is for betas. If you want to attract someone you've got to repel them first--if you want to be true alpha, I mean.
     
  7. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 10

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    I think he's highlighting the problem of extraordinary examples. Yes, they can shock the conscience enough to start cultural dialogue around a question that doesn't usually receive attention. But that same weirdness usually manages the warp the character of that dialogue so much that one can wonder, in retrospect, what it's true value was. For instance, look at the the public reaction to Donald Sterling's comments. Did we need to have more frank discussions about the way racism persists in the US? Absolutely. But, in the first place many people came away from that incident incorrectly assuming that racism is no longer a problem simply because everyone agreed to condemn Sterling. Likewise, there was almost no discussion of institutional racism as seen in our criminal justice system at every level (from stop-and-frisk policies, all the way through sentencing and the death penalty), the retrenchment of segregation in our educational system, the role of unconscious bias in hiring and promotion. It just reinforced the increasingly irrelevant notion of racism as being primarily about an old bigot spewing invective. In light of that, did this "conversation" really move us forward on the issue of race?

    Likewise here, the killer's comments absolutely stimulate people to reflect on misogyny. But if it's conceived as being primarily about mass murderers (or really, murderers at all) then it's missing a great deal of important elements. Just as a Sterling framework lets policies that envision all black males as criminal slide by without being identified as racist (because, hey, at least no one from the NYPD went on a 30 minute rant about being seen with black people at basketball games) so too does it let misogynists off the hook because at least they didn't kill anyone. I can certainly sympathize with that view, though I don't know I agree.
     
  8. Zapdos

    Zapdos Force Ghost star 5

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    that was pointed out by a gamma. trust moviefan. he knows his stuff.
     
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  9. Moviefan2k4

    Moviefan2k4 Jedi Master star 4

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    I wasn't referring to women who plainly tell men they're not interested, but those who play mental or emotional "teasing games" to gauge the extent of the man's interest.
     
  10. PRENNTACULAR

    PRENNTACULAR VIP star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    every time i see a girl in running shoes i give her a good chase. she wouldn't be dressed like that if she didn't want it.
     
  11. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 9

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    Hooray, another Gender Wars thread on the internet. This is exactly what everyone needs.
     
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  12. Harpua

    Harpua Chosen One star 9

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    . . . .


    Okay.... needed a moment to process that crap post. I don't know what color the sky is in your world, or if you're even speaking from experience, but this generally doesn't happen. Chances are, what you perceive as "emotional or teasing games" is simply rejection, and you're turning it into a "chase" on your own.
     
  13. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    beta
     
  14. DarthTunick

    DarthTunick SFTC VII + Deadpool BOFF star 10 VIP - Game Host

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    Fast becoming the JC's hit word for 2014.
     
  15. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I would try to figure out how moviefan distinguishes between "plainly telling men they're not interested" and "playing teasing games" but...nah. I don't want to know.

    No means no means non means nein.

    Don't read anything into it and hurt your brain.
     
  16. Zapdos

    Zapdos Force Ghost star 5

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    i'd like to hear more about this game. how do you play? what do you win? because if it's a sweaty creep then i don't want to play
     
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  17. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 9

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    m'lady
     
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  18. Heero_Yuy

    Heero_Yuy Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    LMAO. Because yet another debate about gun control is just so much more intellectually stimulating, right?
     
  19. epic

    epic Ex Mod star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    i think there is an element of taking moviefan's points a little too literally, blowing them up a little too much and running with it. due to primarily historical interactions with him, i'd imagine. i don't think it's too ridiculous to claim that there is an element of "gaming" in men and women's sexual interactions -- there is a bit more subtlety to things, if only because we are human beings, and most of us don't always know what the hell we want. anecdotal admittedly, but a male friend of mine spent years "chasing" a female friend of mine before they finally started going out. they're now married. him "chasing" her for years, when she made it clear, evidently, for years, that she just wanted to be friends, didn't mean he was stalking her outside her house every morning. it also didn't mean that she didn't like the attention he gave her for those years, even if nothing happened. it's a point not really related to the article, but i see this kind of lampooning of people's posts a lot thesedays and think sometimes it's a little unfair.
     
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  20. tom

    tom Chosen One star 8

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    ok, i can definitely appreciate that view. but the conversations i've been seeing and taking part in have been going the other way. from what i've seen this is causing people to have the discussion about the broader issue of underlying misogyny in our culture. it's causing people to speak up about this issue where they might not have before. the article we're discussing is a perfect case in point. he begins by stating that he was going to write an article about 'the big bang theory' before this happened.
     
  21. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    Why is it every time the discussion of gender or sexism comes up, the same men have problems with it and don't want to talk about it?
     
  22. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 9

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    Gun control is going to cause less people to die than this thread will.
     
  23. dp4m

    dp4m Chosen One star 10

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    This thread will cause people to die? Literally? :p
     
  24. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yes, it's all part of MS's new "JCDIE" virus, which goes into effect every time we issue a warning.
     
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  25. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    Much this-edness.

    There was a piece I read, which I'm trying to find, just after the Rodger shooting took place. But the author quoted a noted feminist blogger who cautioned something related to your point, in a tangential way; the risk we face is that we talk of his misogyny as part of a crazy lone-wolf ideology and not as a symptom of rot in our wider culture.
     
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