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Full Series The Clone Wars - 5.18 - The Jedi Who Knew Too Much - discussion thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Completed Shows' started by Seerow, Feb 13, 2013.

  1. SpecialOpsUnit

    SpecialOpsUnit Jedi Master star 4

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    Palpatine needs to have his hand in this.

    Pushing away Ahsoka from Anakin is essential to pushing him towards the dark side and replacing Dooku. It's not like Anakin is gonna ask "Can Ahsoka join the dark side too?"

    She needs to go for Palpatine to succeed.
     
  2. AnakinsOtherSon

    AnakinsOtherSon Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I am already thinking way after the clone wars ends, Ahsoka will not die and the Clone Wars may end with her but her character is not going anywhere. I could see her leaving The Order before The Clone Wars End but dying? I don't think so. Killing off important characters many fans have grown to love in franchises is so cliche, that is why many franchises whether it is in television, movies, gaming, etc. end up dying out because of stupid decisions on the creators' part. Story is important yes but killing off Ahsoka is too cliche. Allow her to live, give her more story, feature her in a game or movie or book as and older jedi knight who once served under Vader before he was Vader, don't just kill her off and say "ok she's dead that is her story moving on" no that wont fly with me.

    Obi Wan died, Padme died, The Jedi Order Exterminated (which i still find it hard to believe that many of the jedi could not sense the clones' betrayal and take the clones out easily, Yoda did, they are freakin Jedi man), someone has to survive Anakin's Wrath other than his children and Ahoska would be the perfect character, she is basically the jedi Anakin should have been, she took all of his good qualities.
     
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  3. 07jonesj

    07jonesj Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Did you just say killing a main character is cliche?

    ...

    So now we shouldn't kill off main characters, eh? So much for tension. Do you know what I think is becoming too common? Jedi surviving Order 66. Have you seen the list? It's a wonder the Empire wasn't immediately toppled.

    Also, somebody has to survive other than his children? Why do you think they are our only hope?
     
  4. Seerow

    Seerow Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I found it suspicious that Tarkin pretty much lampshaded Ahsoka not being able to feel anything. I couldn't figure out if the show was making fun of its own inconsistencies or if its serious foreshadowing for who is behind this.
     
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  5. AnakinsOtherSon

    AnakinsOtherSon Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Whatever happens Ahsoka needs to leave The Order, Anakin, and The Republic before its too late, her future self has already warned her of this.
     
  6. Arrian

    Arrian Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Dark Times is going to kill a few of them off in the coming issues, methinks. However, the survivors are unaware of each other and thus afraid of defying the Empire. Most of them renounced the Order and focused on survival. I can live with this.
     
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  7. Sutherland

    Sutherland Jedi Youngling

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    maybe she'll become one of the Emperors hands like mara jade?
     
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  8. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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  9. RG4

    RG4 Jedi Knight star 2

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    Not everyone likes Ahsoka, plus adding another Jedi to the almost limitless number of Jedi who keep popping up from holes is just getting annoying. I'd rather have a padawan death instigate Anakin becoming Vader. Hell it's even MORE cliche to have Ahsoka live past Order 66, with her on some planet training Jedi or helping the Rebellion do raids on the Empire and etc.
    God no.
     
  10. 07jonesj

    07jonesj Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    It seems like the Big Three made an agreement never to speak of Mortis again. Perhaps they came to the conclusion they were high.

    If they're going to do a post-ROTS show and they want a character to roll through then it makes more sense to me to have Rex than Ahsoka. Rex would be the good-guy clone in an army of stormtroopers.
     
  11. AnakinsOtherSon

    AnakinsOtherSon Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Point is Ahsoka has more character and story potential than just the clone wars tv show, Anakin's children being the "Only Hope" could be true from a certain point of view, Ahsoka could have her own story behind the events of the original trilogy that has yet to be told. She could team up with Galen Marek or something along those lines like i've stated before. The Jedi of The Rebellion or something.
     
  12. 07jonesj

    07jonesj Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Let me just say that I'm glad you're not in a position to make this happen.

    And I absolutely love Ahsoka's character. It's really made this show, along with making Anakin likable. Oh, and also Galen Marek died. We do not talk of that abomination of storytelling that was the sequel.
     
  13. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Now that would be a way to redeem Mortis in my eyes; if the three of them had a conversation along those lines.

    "That was weird, Master. I saw an old dude with his son and daughter, the son was bad, the daughter was good. The son killed the daughter and then told me I had to turn to the Dark Side in order to save myself."

    "Anakin, I warned you against trying death sticks. Why don't you listen to me?"

    "I only tried one! And besides, what about all that Corellian whiskey you drank?"

    "It was harmless. I didn't see myself turning to the Dark Side. I only saw Qui-Gon."

    Ahsoka shakes her head. "You two. No wonder you pissed me off so badly, Master. I was inhaling death stick fumes."

    Obi-Wan sighs. "At least it's over."

    ...I wished I were high when I was watching it, anyway. If I ever do a re-watch, there will be wine involved.

    That might not be bad.
     
  14. AnakinsOtherSon

    AnakinsOtherSon Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Ahsoka is/was Anakin, Darth Vader's first apprentice her story carries alot more weight than the "limitless number of Jedi who keep popping up from holes" she has more story and character potential than all of those random surviving jedi. She fought along side The Chosen One for heaven sakes i mean even Obi Wan died much later on in the story, he was The Chosen One's mentor/teacher, Ahsoka is The Chosen One's first Student/Apprentice, those are two very important people, yes Padme was his wife but she was more behind the scenes than Obi and Ahsoka, she had to be, Padme's character and story potential had to always be limited she was a "secret love".
     
  15. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Chosen One star 6

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    I kind of felt that deliberate. Heck, Tarkin's line about the sound not working almost felt like a deliberate taunt - "yeah, we're manipulating the evidence to make you look guilty, good luck doing something about it."

    I figured that is why she got all paranoid and jumped.

    Actually, that was part of the reason that I suspected Sidious himself was behind this - we know he can stand in the presence of the greatest masters without them having the slightest suspicion that he is force sensitive, much less the dark sider he is - so if anyone can be utterly undetected as he was force choking someone, he could.

    Plus, he is the only person I can remember who has force choked someone without being able to see them.
     
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  16. AnakinsOtherSon

    AnakinsOtherSon Jedi Youngling star 1

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    no, i take it alot of people don't like Ahsoka's character and rather see clones all the time..........bah!

    I see alot of people on the internet that think Ahsoka is going to die WTH with that?
     
  17. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Chosen One star 7

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    [Frank Grimes]I don't like you. In fact I hate you. Stay the hell away from me, because from now on, we're enemies.[/Frank Grimes]


    Just kidding, of course. Welcome to LACWAC, hope you enjoy your stay.

    Indeed. Perhaps they should have thought of this before they introduced a character that does not appear in the saga of The Chosen One Anakin Skywalker. Or not, I'm long past caring.

    <3Ahsoka4ever.
     
  18. Yodaminch

    Yodaminch Chosen One star 6

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    Since they've now blatantly shown Palpatine = Sidious to the viewers, I say run with it. Let him be the one behind it. Let him destroy the bond between Ahsoka and Anakin and damage Anakin's view of the order. It'll only enhance how he managed to turn Anakin. Hell, let Tarkin be in on it. Just don't let Ahsoka figure it out.
     
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  19. 07jonesj

    07jonesj Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    No. I love Ahsoka's character, as I've stated before, and I also love clones, Obi-Wan, Anakin, Padme, R2. I love many Star Wars characters.

    I also love quality writing, and a fitting fate for my characters. I think Ahsoka should die, but that doesn't mean I won't be sad about it, may even tear up depending on how they play it. I like to be emotionally involved with characters, and I like it when a great story plays with my emotions.
     
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  20. AnakinsOtherSon

    AnakinsOtherSon Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Thank You by the way :), but she does not have to be in the saga to be an important influencial character. That is why I said I could see her leaving Anakin, The Order, and The Republic. Video Games, Books, etc. could always explain what happened to her later.
     
  21. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Carrying this over from the locked thread:

    I probably shouldn't be thinking about this since the type of show could not be more different, TCW is not exactly a 90s sitcom, and the only thing the Jedi have in common with the characters in Spin City is that they're civil servants, but anyway...

    Michael J. Fox's exit from that show when he was diagnosed with Parkinson's. His character, "Mike", was deputy mayor for three or four seasons (droid jokes may commence), and the writers had Mayor Barry Bostwick do something really stupid and "Mike" voluntarily took the fall for it. The end of the show had "Mike" working in DC and running into some obnoxious senatorial aide named Alex P. Keaton.

    TCW writers could have Ahsoka found innocent but so disgruntled with the Order that she leaves, especially if no Jedi other than Anakin believes in her innocence (and nobody spoil me for the next episodes please, I'll find out then). Anakin could get word from her that she went back to her home planet/hooked up with Lux/opened a shop selling skimpy clothing for adolescent girls/etc.

    But, it would have to be done in such a way that Anakin would not be obsessed with going after her and bringing her back, and I'm not sure how that part would work.
     
  22. 07jonesj

    07jonesj Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    As someone who considers gaming to be one of my major hobbies, I can just imagine the rage if they decided to not end Ahsoka's story in the show, and decided to do so in a video game adaptation.

    Let's just say that there would be fire. Fire raging across the entire forum.
     
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  23. AnakinsOtherSon

    AnakinsOtherSon Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Why do you think she has to die?

    I can understand her death feeding Anakin's inevitable fall but if Ahsoka just simply decided to walk away from him that would still make him very sad. If Ahsoka dies it would have to be mentioned in ROTS, now her just leaving or going on a simple mission would make more sense for ROTS. Her ulimate death would still be on the forefront of The Jedi's minds even during ROTS, just would not make sense for the council not to mention her or anakin or obi wan for that matter, she is a big deal, an important part of Anakin's life.
     
  24. AnakinsOtherSon

    AnakinsOtherSon Jedi Youngling star 1

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    ok thats fine, but there are books, film, comics, expanded television series, all i am saying is that she does not just have to die at the end of clone wars television series she could just walk away, disappear, let the fans decide her fate, headcanon.
     
  25. RG4

    RG4 Jedi Knight star 2

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    As stated in the trailer for the finale is that Anakin has an emotional attachment to Ahsoka. In RoTS you see Anakin going crazy over the thought of Panda Bear dying,so he takes an ultimatum that Palps proposes. "If you go to the Dark Side, we have the power to save your wife." If Ahsoka were to die it'd make it easier on Palps since Ahsoka is more a hindrance to his plans to turn Anakin, if he gets her out the way and makes Anakin sub come to his feelings of grief and sorrow over the death his Padawan it'd be make so much easier for Palpatine to convince Anakin that the Dark Side can save his wife.