ST Official Sequel Trilogy / Legends / Expanded Universe discussion thread

Enough people do, that they sell.

The RoTJ and RoTS novels were particularly good when it came to giving the movie characters some depth.

 

She had to be rescued in all three movies, it so saintly she easily forgives mass murder (to be angry is to be human!) and is all around pathetic trope in ROTS. Even worse, she is part of the whore/angel dichotomy, the school of thinking that a woman is either an angel or a whore. Her only "flaw" is her overt purity of spirit that leads her to be exceptionally naive and forgiving. And to make it even more obvious she is called an angel...

Then, she dies of "broken heart" (because apparently she is too pure for this earth, yuck).

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MadonnaWhoreComplex

It's not made better by Anakin objectifying her in the entirety ROTS. Somehow I doubt Lucas included that on purpose.

 

I have no idea - none of us do - what the ST will be about yet. But if it's true that the Big 3 will make age appropriate appearances in the new film(s), the audience is going to have to assume some things have happened to them that they won't see onscreen. I can't imagine the crawl saying, "it's been 35 years since the Battle of Endor, and absolutely, positively nothing has occurred in the lives of our intrepid heroes".

Will the ST factor in the EU? I think it's possible to make a successful and enjoyable film about a new story without torching the EU. Will they do it? I have no clue. And for all the posturing I see in this forum, no one else does either - at this point.

 

Chewie dying is just "stuff that happens over the course of 30 years"?

 

Thank you for succinctly expressing that. This is what I've been trying to get at. It is possible.

People die.

 

Whore/Angel dichotpmy?

I think a lot of these ideas were created just to motivate people to look down on females no matter what role they may have. If they are good people there is something wrong with them, if they are bad people there is something wrong with them, if they have children there is something wrong with them, if they don't have children there is something wrong with them. So on.

And there is a trope for everything these days, which to me makes them completely irrelevent.

Lets just say if a female character aspiring to be the leader of a nation, becomes the leader of that nation, and then goes to war for that nation, well, there are a lot worse traits for a female character to have.

 

I realize that Chewie is the big problem for everyone in this discussion. I don't have an answer for that. Will the film flop if Chewbacca isn't in it? Will film goers not be able to handle the idea that he died offscreen? I can't say, but I suspect he isn't the lynch pin on which the success of the ST rests. But again, I can't imagine trying to sell to an audience that no one the Big 3 ever knew and loved didn't perish in the years since Endor. That begs believability IMO.

 

I don't care if you don't care, quite frankly, as your post tells me you have no idea what this is actually about. I don't like the depiction of women as incorruptible, inhuman pureness and naivité. At all.

 

If there's no war...

 

Chewie isn't old.

 

Chewie is the main character?

 

Eh, 225 years is a good age to die.

 

Look Chorus, I know you think my opinion is idiotic - that's clear enough. I just think it's possible Chewie won't appear. I'd be happy to hear Peter Mayhew will be returning, however.

 

I thought Chorus was being sarcastic.

 

And movies in 1977 tended to have credits in the beginning. So what? Let it be a first.

 

I know he's a bit of a fan favorite but you guys are vastly overestimating Chewie's importance in Star Wars. His absence could be explained away in a throwaway line, or not even mentioned at all of Han and Leia only have cameo appearances. Mara and Jacen are much more problematic.

 

Not really. How often do you like to talk about a parent who died 10 years prior? Make the film about Allana and Ben, no one likes to talk about dead parents.