Lit The Ajunta Pall Age Discrepancy

lol a little offensive, politically, but funny. And it could work! Since up til now, Ajunta Pall has only ever been portrayed as bald. And that could easily be a protosaber with the cord hidden.

Yeah, but also keep in mind that Ragnos was at least half, if not pure Sith based on appearance (depending on the reference). And also that by the time we saw his Force Ghost he was already deteriorated and ancient-looking, if that's any basis for what he looked like before he died.

Haha that sounds like a fairly elaborate cover-up for something that's so clearly an oversight. But sure, what the heck, why not? I mean, they even made Jerec into a Miraluka.

 

Your will. My hands:

"Our Jedi Masters. Those who had taught us to use the Force... who warned us against the dark side. Yet we embraced it in secret, reveled in its power."

"We were... discovered? Or did we act? I can no longer remember. But here is where we came... to hide, to grow. And here we fell."

"We were the first. The first to rebel, to betray... to surrender ourselves to the dark side. So strong, we thought... so wrong..."

"Return? But... I betrayed my old masters. They would never let me return to the light side. It is too late... too late..."

"If I... if I could return. Oh, my Master... it has been... so long... and I regret so much..."

That's the stuff relevant RE: the schism and Pall's relationship with the Jedi of the day, anyway.

Keep in mind that KotOR was written prior to the "100-year-darkness-birthed-the-sith" retcon, though. So this would have been referring to Xendor's schism, originally.

 

Well, now it applies to the Second Schism.

One could extrapolate from the line, "We were... the first to rebel", that Ajunta Pall was among those who began the rebellion, but this could merely just be used in a completely holistic sense. However, the line, "We were... discovered" seems to suggest that Ajunta Pall had been free to practice the dark arts for a time, and personally did not experience any conflict, prior to this point, nor was there any conflict already present, as supported by the pronoun "we". Meaning that this conflict would have had to have begun during his lifetime, with him present in the war from the outset.

But I don't know, maybe Ajunta Pall just likes to think of himself as having always been associated with that group, even from the point before his birth. Though these lines do seem to suggest that he did in fact instigate the Hundred-Year Darkness, that, coupled with his leadership status.

 

Also, I wonder what it is that he did that he could regret so much to make him want to abandon the dark. Because small acts, even in collectivity shouldn't be enough to make someone want to give up power, if power does indeed corrupt. There needs to be a trigger.

He would have had to have done something so heartbreaking to make him "wake up". Or perhaps it was just eternity that gave him time to reflect. But I don't know, perhaps he killed a loved one or something, just like with what happened with Ulic Qel-Droma before he renounced the dark, and before getting stripped of his power.

But anyways, off-topic, but it just makes you think how little we really know about Pall, and how fleshy a backstory he could really have.

 

One could just take dialogue figuratively rather than literally, but then I guess it wouldn't be Star Wars.

 

yeah there could have been minor conflicts leading to the major one much deeper in the hundred years. who knows

 

Maybe age prolonging and/or rejuvenation techniques were among the once that the old order forgot, for one reason or another. Maybe it was decided it/they were to dangerous or maybe just didn't fit with their philosophy?

 

Where does it say Pall started the war? I begin a piece of fanfic (but never finished it) where another Jedi begins the war. Pall is born during wartime and falls to the dark side despite the efforts of his father trying to save him.

 

I don't remember reading that anywhere in the guide. And also that doesn't mean he began the war, he could have fallen to the dark side 60 years into the war and brought some of his classmate with him and declared war against his old masters.

 

It's not in that book, I checked. And I agree.

 

They weren't the first though, Xendor was!

 

No, it was just some guy.

 

I forgot about the apprentice of the blob.

 

Exactly, which is why I think we have to take it within the context of the Second Schism, meaning that they were the first to initiate the Hundred-Year Darkness.

But seriously, after all this, I think I just want a retcon or something.

 

Star Wars and Occam's razor don't mix.

 

Pall says "we" did this and "we" did that, not "I" did this and "I" did that. If I'm a member of a political party founded 10 years before I was born, I can say that "we" won the election 5 years before my own birth.

And, after all, ghosts trapped in a dark, dank underground tomb for 3000 years have been known to get senile.

 

Are you happy now, Hundred Year Darkness retcon? Are you happy for ruining EVERYTHING? I hope it was worth it.

 

It can be said that the Sith were the first to completely surrender to the dark side. They didn't "fall", it a choice, and it became their philosophy. It was more ingrained in them than any dark jedi.

 

Well I did mention the possibility that he could mean it in the holistic sense, didn't I? And yes, I think a trapped consciousness probably isn't very good for the mental health.

 

I do believe that all could be said from a certain point of view. "Fall" is merely a Jedi term, while in the philosophy of the Dark Side practitioner, be it Dark Jedi or Sith, this form of surrender as actually an "ascension" into power. Both chose to ascend. I don't think it's right to say that either truly "fell". Although, the Sith are clearly the more organized, and are clearly the more refined in their technique, due to that fact that, yes, the Sith were a bit more devoted to the dark side.

Whereas to the Dark Jedi, the Dark Side is merely a means to an end, to the Sith, the Dark Side is an entire way of life. Not sure where that conversation went, but yeah, I still think Pall meant "first" in terms of that specific conflict. Or perhaps he simply discounts the earlier endeavors of Xendor, due to them being utterly fruitless.

 

I don't believe that the Dark Jedi of the First Schism were actually any different from the Dark Jedi of the Second Schism, other than the fact that the latter managed to find a red-skinned alien race to rule over, as lords. So to say that the latter would be the "first" in terms of philosophy would be incorrect considering that the two groups were fundamentally identical when they both began.

 

Well the main point is that whether Ajunta meant that he was part of the very first group to initiate the Second Schism or not, there are numerous ways to explain why he looks so young after 100 + years of life. All it'd take would be for someone to actually write a story about him, or even just have his legacy pop up somewhere down the line.

 

That would be something I'd look forward to. Heck, I might even just write it myself if it gives me some resolution

 

Ajunta Pall was meant to be part of the first group to initiate the First Great Schism. That was the original intent.