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What if the Second Death Star hadn't been destroyed?

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  1. Master Selkath

    Master Selkath Jedi Knight star 2

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    I always thought about what would have happened if the team on endor had failed, Luke had died and the rebel fleet was destroyed. What worlds do you think the Death Star would have destroyed first? Could anyone else have challenged it?
     
  2. Aaronaman

    Aaronaman Jedi Knight star 4

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    If the Rebels were destroyed and Luke killed I think the threats would have come from within the Imperial Forces....who else is left to challenge them??
     
  3. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord 50x Wacky Wed/3x Two Truths/28x H-man winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    According to The Essential Guide to Warfare, Chandrila (homeworld of Mon Mothma, leader of the Rebellion) and Dac (homeworld of Ackbar, highest admiral of the Rebellion and the place where all those lumpy Rebel ships were built) were slated as the first targets. Indeed, the reason so few Imperial ships were at Endor was that they'd been formed into two massive armadas to blockade those worlds until the DS2 could be sent to them.
     
  4. Vaapad Master Daeg Tynan

    Vaapad Master Daeg Tynan Jedi Knight star 3

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    I think Luke would've been captured and turned. Then Vader and Darth Luke would've overthrown the Emperor and they could've ruled the galaxy as father-and-son. [face_laugh]
     
  5. The Star Wars Archivist

    The Star Wars Archivist Jedi Knight star 3

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    If luke died, the Rebellion would pretty much be dysfunctional and unable to do anything about the Death Star.

    Thats pretty much it.

    It would then move on to blow stuff up.

    "I say we're in range, now"
     
  6. CommanderDrenn

    CommanderDrenn Jedi Knight star 4

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    The Empire wins and we all feel depressed.
     
  7. Sarge

    Sarge 6x Wacky Wednesday winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    But it was Han's strike team and Lando's fighters that destroyed the Death Star, not Luke. As long as Luke lived long enough to keep Vader and the Emperor from interfering directly in the battle, the rebels still would have won.
     
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  8. The Star Wars Archivist

    The Star Wars Archivist Jedi Knight star 3

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    Meaning, without Luke it wouldn't have worked.

    Meaning, they would be dysfunctional.
     
  9. Master Selkath

    Master Selkath Jedi Knight star 2

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    Well if the strike team on endor had failed Lando wouldn't have been able to destroy the Death Star.
     
  10. TX-20

    TX-20 Force Ghost star 4

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    First planet on the Emperor's hit list would have to be Tatooine.

    Emperor: "You've done all the damage you're gonna do!"
    The Death Star's super laser obliterates Tatooine leaving the Galaxy without a planet that creates an annoying number of annoying Force Users
    Darth Vader: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
    Emperor: "Stop that. It is getting very tiresome."
     
  11. Darth Eddie

    Darth Eddie Jedi Master star 4

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    If the Death Star 2 wasn't destroyed then Return of the Jedi would have sucked.
     
  12. The Hellhammer

    The Hellhammer Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The Death Star wouldn't have been destroyed if Han had failed. As Sarge said, Luke kept the Emperor and Vader occupied, but even if the Duel on Death Star played out exactly the same, and Han failed, they all would've been pretty much screwed. I doubt that Luke would've been able to take on the entire Death Star himself and destroy it from inside. If Lando died, Wedge or someone else could have possibly made it to the reactor to blow it up.
    So, in my view, it all pretty much hinges on Han and his strike team.

    If it wasn't destroyed, I'm pretty sure the Emperor would've eventually built one to patrol every major system in the Core and dozens to go around the Outer Rim territories.
     
  13. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord 50x Wacky Wed/3x Two Truths/28x H-man winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    In the novelization, the Death Star's commander is under orders to blow up the Forest Moon if the shield goes down- it's only a few seconds from firing when it explodes.

    Just a few seconds of delay in Lando or Wedge's trip in, could have meant all the difference.
     
  14. The Hellhammer

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    There's actually a filmed scene of that moment, where Jerrjerod hesitates. It can be found online with some searching.
    Really cool stuff to see.
     
  15. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord 50x Wacky Wed/3x Two Truths/28x H-man winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    In the book version, he seems eager to see the Moon destroyed:

    Commander Jerjerrod sat, brooding, in the control room of the Death Star, watching all about him crumble. Half of his crew were dead, wounded, or run off - where they hoped to find sanctuary was unclear, if not insane. The rest wandered ineffectually, or railed at the enemy ships, or fired their guns at all sectors, or shouted orders, or focussed desperately on a single task, as if that would save them. Or, like Jerjerrod, simply brooded.
    He couldn't fathom what he'd done wrong. He'd been patient, he'd been loyal, he'd been clever. he'd been hard. He was the commander of the greatest battle station ever built. Or, at least, almost built. He hated this Rebel Alliance now, with a child's hate, untempered. He'd loved it once - it had been the small by he could bully, the enraged baby animal he could torture. But the boy had grown up now; it knew how to fight back effectively. It had broken its bonds.
    Jerjerrod hated it now.
    Yet there seemed to be little he could do at this point. Except, of course, destroy Endor - he could do that. It was a small act, a token really - to incinerate something green and living, gratuitously, meanly, toward no end but that of wanton destruction. A small act, but deliciously satisfying.
    An aide ran up to him. "The Rebel fleet is closing, sir."
    "Concentrate all fire in that sector." he answered distractedly. A console on the far wall burst into flame.
    "The fighters in the superstructure are eluding our defense system, Commander. Shouldn't we-"
    "Flood sectors 304 and 138. That should slow them up." He arched his eyebrows at his aide.
    This made little sense to the aide, who had cause to wonder at the commander's grasp of the situation. "But sir ..."
    "What is the rotation factor to firing range on the Endor Moon?"
    The aide checked the compuscreen. "Point oh two to moon target, sir. Commander, the fleet-"
    "Accelerate rotation until moon is in range, and then fire on my mark."
    "Yes sir." The aide pulled a bank of switches. "Rotation accelerating. Point oh one to moon target. Sixty seconds to firing range. Sir, good-bye, sir." The aide saluted, put the firing switch in Jerjerrod's hand as another explosion shook the control room, and ran out of the door.
    Jerjerrod smiled calmly at the view-screen. Endor was starting to come out of the Death Star's eclipse. He fondled the detonation switch in his hand. Point oh oh five to moon target. Screams erupted in the next room.
    Thirty seconds to firing.
     
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  16. Vaapad Master Daeg Tynan

    Vaapad Master Daeg Tynan Jedi Knight star 3

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    Boy - just as an aside, that seems kinda ludicrous. I don't doubt the information at all Iron_lord, but that's like saying, here I'll stand up against some bullies on the playground by handing them a live grenade and watching them explode.... OH and me too!!!!

    You'd figure by destroying Endor while in such close orbit would have a significant affect on the DSII. There is no mention on how far away the DSI is from Alderaan when firing, but it seemed it was quite a ways away....
     
  17. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord 50x Wacky Wed/3x Two Truths/28x H-man winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    Given that destroying the DS2 in close orbit didn't have all that much effect on Endor (at least, in EU sources depicting it) maybe not. Perhaps the superlaser beam gets rid of a great deal of mass of the target, "shunting it into hyperspace", as the Death Star novel states- with the hypermatter reactor's explosion creating a similar effect on the DS2 itself.

    I think the A New Hope novelization says the DS1 was 6 "planetary diameters" away.
     
  18. DoubleGold

    DoubleGold Jedi Knight star 1

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    Yoda did say there was another. And in the prequels it said a young skywalker would end the emperor's reign. Leia would have taken Luke's place just to fullfill the prophecy.

    Or people in the republic would legally change their last name to skywalker just so they would have a chance at defeating vader and the emperor.
     
  19. The Star Wars Archivist

    The Star Wars Archivist Jedi Knight star 3

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    Long story short, the Rebellion fails, Luke dies, they have no fleet, Rebels are hunted.

    Thats pretty much what would happen.
     
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  20. Deputy Rick Grimes

    Deputy Rick Grimes Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Jar Jar would challenge them :p
     
  21. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Chosen One star 7

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    IG-88 and his droid revolution would have happened!
     
  22. The Star Wars Archivist

    The Star Wars Archivist Jedi Knight star 3

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    And after the 2 seconds he stood, the Death Star would vaporise him.

    Sorry, JJ.
     
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